Whats going on at yellowstone?

ressiv
reply to post by ThePeaceMaker

 

mexico and lower...

I see .. But to move 300 million people whilst it's all going to is going to be very difficult. I think to a certain degree it would be interesting to see what would happen but being the human I am I really wish it wouldn't come to it. I'm so glad I live on an island away from fault lines and volcanos

SLAYER69
Isnt it like the more it rumbles the less danger there is of something major happening, Releasing energy a little bit at a time. Instead of all of a sudden BOOM!

Atleast thats what they told us growing up in CaLI

Well you can burp as much as you like but if you're gonna be sick you're gonna be sick.

This is worrying, I'm in Scotland and I'm still worried, if that caldera goes this could put the whole globe into a mini ice age, mass extension the lot, and for anybody near there it is extremely worrying, the ash that would be released from there will spread a thick blanket for thousands of miles and with winter coming this is just bad news. I hope it's not as bad as it seems, fingers crossed these quakes are just a natural way of balancing the pressure under there, we cant ignore the fact that this will erupt one day though, it's not a question of if, but when, and the signs are pointing to sooner rather than later, it's already late as it is. Be safe everyone.

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I don't know about global warming from the inside out. It seems to have something to do with ionization and a decrease in pressure on our magnetic field. Therefore I imagine it also affects the core. I would need to read the articles again. When I wrote the post last week it was more to share the strong relationship found between sun activity (maunders/daltons), and eruptions - along with certain types of earthquakes. Because of low solar activity I thought it was interesting. Didn't get any feedback so must be something that has been pounded to death in other threads and I'm just catching up. One study I looked at was published just this year so I don't know about others but I find it has changed how I look at volcanoes at this time. If for no other reason than to continue observing.

Findings in the following study indicate a statistically significant relationship between volcanic eruptions and low solar magnetic activity, with 9 of 11 volcanic eruptions between 1700-2005 having happened during low solar activity.

www.sciencedirect.com...

There were a couple of other studies I looked at as well but I looked for a relationship before I viewed the research on it. For a person not trained in earthquakes or volcanology it was evident to me. The research I read just confirmed what I had put together (I had a list of solar activity and strong eruptions that showed the same thing - most erupted when the sun was quiet).

I went back a bit further though - to like 980 AD or something. Picking up around 1700 AD for a study makes sense though, since sunspots began to be observed around 1610. I also looked at whether sunspot counts would even be accurate back then and it is my understanding astronomers took their work very seriously and had someone observing around the clock.

Even if the sun does affect volcanoes it wouldn't be the only thing - just one piece. One hundred percent of powerful volcanic eruptions are not falling under low sun activity but the percentage is high so it's either a really strange coincidence or there is a connection. I go with there being a connection since others are running the probabilities of this being the case.

If you find out more about the core let me know. Is it expanding when our magnetic field is relaxed? I can't see it being connected to global warming though since this activity happened during mini ice ages and colder climatic cycles. Or - that could have been partly due to the volcanic eruptions cooling the earth further - offsetting any warming that might have come from the process.

Nice to see the thread coming to life again.

Just wanted to post quake update for October even so It can be found at seis.utah.edu.


1.0 2013/10/05 14:38:55 44.567N 110.839W 4.9 24 km (15 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
2.5 2013/10/05 09:26:02 44.568N 110.848W 6.5 23 km (14 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
1.4 2013/10/05 08:58:28 44.571N 110.834W 2.0 24 km (15 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
0.8 2013/10/05 08:58:09 44.563N 110.830W 2.0 24 km (15 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
0.6 2013/10/05 08:56:51 44.562N 110.841W 2.1 24 km (15 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
1.1 2013/10/05 08:54:54 44.563N 110.828W 2.1 25 km (15 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
0.9 2013/10/05 08:54:27 44.570N 110.832W 1.7 24 km (15 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
0.8 2013/10/05 08:54:09 44.564N 110.836W 2.2 24 km (15 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
1.1 2013/10/05 08:52:29 44.565N 110.846W 4.8 23 km (14 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
1.6 2013/10/05 08:51:21 44.581N 110.847W 4.4 22 km (14 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
2.8 2013/10/05 08:09:23 44.576N 110.849W 10.5 23 km (14 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
1.1 2013/10/05 07:49:20 44.566N 110.850W 5.0 23 km (14 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
0.6 2013/10/05 07:49:02 44.564N 110.838W 2.0 24 km (15 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
0.9 2013/10/05 07:38:48 44.567N 110.838W 4.8 24 km (15 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
2.3 2013/10/05 07:34:55 44.568N 110.851W 6.1 23 km (14 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
1.1 2013/10/05 07:34:28 44.568N 110.835W 2.1 24 km (15 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
1.8 2013/10/05 07:33:33 44.568N 110.843W 6.3 23 km (14 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
2.4 2013/10/05 07:29:48 44.572N 110.835W 7.5 24 km (15 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
1.2 2013/10/05 06:52:17 44.573N 110.841W 4.9 23 km (14 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
1.4 2013/10/04 01:21:26 44.748N 111.097W 11.7 10 km ( 6 mi) N of West Yellowstone, MT
1.0 2013/10/02 16:04:31 44.744N 110.785W 8.4 27 km (17 mi) ENE of West Yellowstone, MT
1.5 2013/10/02 15:31:48 44.755N 110.762W 8.6 29 km (18 mi) ENE of West Yellowstone, MT
0.8 2013/10/01 21:24:46 44.738N 110.764W 8.6 28 km (18 mi) ENE of West Yellowstone, MT
0.5 2013/10/01 15:48:29 44.804N 111.055W 7.8 16 km (10 mi) NNE of West Yellowstone, MT
1.2 2013/10/01 15:12:05 44.746N 111.095W 12.2 9 km ( 6 mi) N of West Yellowstone, MT
1.4 2013/10/01 14:54:41 44.743N 111.102W 13.0 9 km ( 6 mi) N of West Yellowstone, MT

reply to post by Dianec


Natural Resources Canada's Geodetic Survey Division (GSD) offers data of the Canadian Active Control System (CACS), the Passive Control Networks and the Canadian Gravity Standardization Network (CGSN) as well as a series of geoid models.

The Canadian Gravity Standardization Net (CGSN) provides gravity data and gravimetric stations descriptions across Canada.

sounds nice,,,wait....

"Sign in to access this page."

right,,, ohh well.
oohh as an aside,,,,ever hear of "the G8 Charter of Data Open-ness????" lol

BobAthome
reply to post by Dianec

 

Natural Resources Canada's Geodetic Survey Division (GSD) offers data of the Canadian Active Control System (CACS), the Passive Control Networks and the Canadian Gravity Standardization Network (CGSN) as well as a series of geoid models.

The Canadian Gravity Standardization Net (CGSN) provides gravity data and gravimetric stations descriptions across Canada.

sounds nice,,,wait....

"Sign in to access this page."

right,,, ohh well.
oohh as an aside,,,,ever hear of "the G8 Charter of Data Open-ness????" lol

Thank you . Ill look for this.

This topic is so much more pleasant than politics. Will need to play around with it and see what I can learn. Find my interest in these things is increasing. I won't ever know as much as most of you but I at least want to learn enough to have intelligent conversations on the subject. Thanks again.

Just asking, I can't remember that Yellowstone ever had two simultaneous earthquake swarms.
Now, there have been three swarms at once, Lewis Lake, the Lower Geyser Basin and the northwest part of Norris Geyser Basin, and I wonder if one swarm can relate to another swarm?
Can one swarm trigger another and vice versa?

reply to post by Roald


the muliple swarms are going on....
only reason for that must be stress in the caldera
everybody body is focust on HT tremors...as long they are not there ..there's nothing to worry

but :
HT tremors reprecent flowing magma trouhg cavity's ore vents
its my modest opinion that there are no vents ore cavity's left in the old caldera to be filled up
the plume is big and deep and the chamber under the park is already filled up
that leaves only increasing pressure from below the cause of the swarms...
like micro fracking round the caldera rim (the weakest place of the caldera)
option would be that she would blow in an explosive way without any ore less HT tremors as warning...perhaps only with moore and intensive swarm's before

If I recall correctly, scientists have recently announced findings that demonstrate swarms actually help to reduce pressures in a caldera.

Of course this doesnt preclude that swarms are also an indicator of magma movement upward as the chamber fills, but that is more demonstrated with the rising surface temps and increase of venting.

And then Steamboat erupts this year for the first time in years. I wonder what that indicates?

smirkley
If I recall correctly, scientists have recently announced findings that demonstrate swarms actually help to reduce pressures in a caldera.

Of course this doesnt preclude that swarms are also an indicator of magma movement upward as the chamber fills, but that is more demonstrated with the rising surface temps and increase of venting.

And then Steamboat erupts this year for the first time in years. I wonder what that indicates?

wat I said .... increasing pressure from underneath...today an new swarm at gardiner

www.seis.utah.edu...

The swarm indicated by the link in your post are all outside the caldera borders.

I forget what year, but the major earthquake there somewhat recently that squeezed off water flow to mammouth springs eventually led to steamboat building water pressure again. But the springs are still dry. I visit yellowstone at least once a year, and I take one photo from the same spot every year, and you can see the water has been diverted and the mamouth flats are drying up fast.

They have to surface somewhere soon.

But the last flurry of swarm is well outside those boundaries.

The problem occurs around norris bason or slightly above.

The swarm your link descibes is independant of caldera flow.

the concentration of the swarms fall out the common caldera.... but in an older caldera...

upload.wikimedia.org...

Westcoast - I just thought that no-one had linked these two
This...

They would hoard, they would prepare FEMA and other response agencies. As the time seemed to loom, they would shut down the park in an attempt to avoid detection until the last possible minute. Shut down the entrances, remove the rangers, shut down the cameras and pull as many scientists as possible off the seismic monitors. How in the world would they accomplish THAT without raising a big, red flag????

...and the national shutdown to conserve spending. That would cause the shutdown of the parks etc.

bad vibrations continue in the park...
www.seis.utah.edu...

chamber twize as big as thought brings the outside rim's in the picture...

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Looks like it's turning into a real swarm..

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wow...last one was a 3.3

Looks like NW corner of the park. Depth (so far) of 11.9km which is kinda deep for this area, I believe.

I've got GEE up..will see if I can catch any.


Here is the IRIS station

and then there is the webcam to see shaking as it happens. Yellowstone Geyser Live

looks like this is outside the boundary but on a fault line

At least one new one. So, it's a swarm alrighty.

Don't trust the webcam at Yellowstone. The wind pushes it around because they have it up a tree. It would be better if the stuck it on something sturdy. If I watch it too long, I get seasick.

I have station YMR pulled up on the GEE server... seems to be intensely active in this general region... i was wondering when she would start putting on a show again... glad i have 5 days off work!!!

yellowstone thumbs

am i the only one up late watching the activity on GEE? just had a good sized one... maybe 3.5 waiting to see....