Not even Time(age),Space,Matter and other dimensions could ever exist with out a source or a CREATOR

The hints and clues of the truth of this matter are to be found if you search for them, God has given them to us. But it is not easy to find.

1)The Dead Sea Scrolls found proving the book of Isaiah to be a very Authentic bible book & inspired of God en.wikipedia.org...

2)The book of Isaiah written around 750 BC

3)Although the bible is not a scientific book Isaiah Chapter 40 is.
First in Verse 22

Isaiah 40:22 (The Message)

21-24Have you not been paying attention?
Have you not been listening?
Haven't you heard these stories all your life?
Don't you understand the foundation of all things?
God sits high above the round ball of earth.
The people look like mere ants.
He stretches out the skies like a canvas—
yes, like a tent canvas to live under.
He ignores what all the princes say and do.
The rulers of the earth count for nothing.
Princes and rulers don't amount to much.
Like seeds barely rooted, just sprouted,
They shrivel when God blows on them.
Like flecks of chaff, they're gone with the wind.

Another version
Isaiah 40:22 (New International Version)

22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

So here we have God telling people centuries before it known that the earth is round not flat as was commonly thought for thousands of years.

This leads us to the next point

Isaiah 40:26 (NWT)

"Raise your eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing"

Another version
Isaiah 40:26 (New International Version)

26 Lift your eyes and look to the heavens:
Who created all these?
He who brings out the starry host one by one,
and calls them each by name.
Because of his great power and mighty strength,
not one of them is missing.

So there it is people the path to the truth of creation, not 6 literal 24 hour days that's a fools tale. But billions of years through pure energy transferred into matter and than created into stars and planets. And lastly and not that long ago human life.

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spy66:

Our mind craves rational satifaction concerning this great truth; the evidences of God's existence.

This argument for the Divine existence is based upon the fact of causation. Regarding the universe in its present form as an effect, it reasons that it must have had a sufficent cause.

Because something cannot come from nothing, and now something exists.
therefore something existed prior to that which presently exists.

Major Premise - Everthing begun must have had a sufficient pre-existing cause.
Minor Premise - The world in every part is continually changing.
Conclusion - Therefore the world must hasve a couse outsideof itself and the original cause must have been external uncaused, and characterized by free will.

Two truths are assumed by he cosmological argument. One is the principle of ausation and the other is that the universe is an effect of cause outside itself. If these are shown to be true, the argument is sound and is highly suggestive of God's existence.

Nothing cannot be a cause. Something exists now and it could not have come out of nothingness; so something must always have existed, something which caused all things that now are.

Design Argument:
Major Premise - Orderly and harmonious cooperation of many separate parts can be accounted for only be the assumption of an intelligent cause;
Minor Premise - The world everywhere exhibits orderly and harmonious cooperation of all its parts;
Conclusion - Therefore the original and absolute cause of the world is an intelligent cause.

Orderly and useful arrangement in nature are obvious and unquestionable. Evidences of design are apparent everywhere and are conclusive proof that the author of nature was an intelligent person.

Human Nature:
Major Premise - As an intelligent and free moral being, man has had a beginning upon this earth.
Minor Premise - Nonintelligent matter and force are not an adequate cause of intelligence, free will and conscience in man;
Conclusion - Therefore as an effect, man's spiritual nature can be refeerred only to a cause possessing intelligence, freedom, and a moral nature, which imply personility.

Man's intellect must have had a cause. Mind cannot have come from matter. Matter is known by its properties, but mind is known only by its phenomena.

It sure is a lot to wrap your head around. But, to me, it makes perfect sense.

Just some thoughts,
Grandma

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Yeah the more i think about this the more i do believe in God as the only possible creator. When i read books on this subject all i read is that science contradicts it own theories.

For example the Big Bang. Science tell us that in the beginning there was a Big Bang. That everything started with a single Bang. And at the same time they tell us that there are hundreds of other universes that are a lot older then our own. And how can that be if we come from the same Big Bang! The same singularity.

The moon theory: Thats the best one

They have made a simulation based on the craters found on the north side of the moon. That billions of years ago A Big Star came out of nowhere and just hit earth. A star that they dont even have evidence of even had existed. The model was made because of the 400lbs samples taken from the moon surface from the first moon landing.
They found out that the samples taken had no resemblance with earth. So they thought that the only explanation for our moon was that something Big must of hit earth. This simulation still stand as a official theory for how the moon came to be. But the funny thing is that they also state that there is no evidence of a Big Star ever hitting earth at the angle it had to hit earth to place the moon where it is now. When they talk about the mass that the star had to be to create the moon. The Star had to be nearly the size of earth to throw out the amount of debre needed to create the moon. And they admit its odd that they cant find any similarities with our soil and the moons. Because if a Star the size of earth hit us there would have been some matter to prove it.

I wonder why are we told this stuff and thought this stuff in school when it's not even a proven fact. It is nothing but a theory that contradict is self.

Part two of their theory is that the debre that was cast out from the impact with earth created the moon. But we know that the moon has barely any Gravity,because the moons core has barely any iron. And we know that melted debre or molted rock is not magnetic it can only attract something if it hits an other object and attaches its self to it. Now when they simulated this they found it impossible for the debre to attract it self. For tree main reasons.The temperature in space cooled down the bedree so that the debre couldn't attach or stick to one and other on impact. The debre couldn't move fast enough because it was bound by earth gravity. Meaning the debre would probably not interact but be in a orbit with earth until it falls down and burns up in our atmosphere. And the last thing. If the moon was created by this debre it would have been to close to earth and the moon would have been pooled towards earth and it would of hit us. Now the moon is moving away because earths gravity and rotation is weakening. The Moon is moving away from us with a spread of 3,8cm a year. And it will start to move faster as it pools further away from us.

So it is just a Mather of time before the shiiit really starts to hit the fan. When we loose the Moons gravity we will start to loose important effects to the sea and the Golf-streams. The wind will go haywire. The northern and southern part of the earth will be really cold.The crap list is long But i can see how this all fits in with some of the things from Revelation in the Bible.

And for me the only good explanation is that God put the moon where it is. No Mather have stupid that sounds. And it is not the only stupid theory. We have some other unexplained planets that are not solid but made of gas and they are BIG. But what put the other planets where they are! And which one came first. They all act on each other with gravity or dark Mather. Their positions make them and us have the orbit we have.


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