Swat Team conducts food raid in rural Ohio

I am no longer amazed by the ` usual ` response to this , and stories in a similar vein on ATS . what happened to critical thinking ?

once again a one sided accout with zero counterpoint seems to be being accepted without reservation

what happened to ` the big picture ` ?

its not like people lie , embellish or exadurate is it

nah - they claim the ` evil government ` is picking on them and they are pure as driven snow - so it must be true ??????????????

It's actually worse than what happend in this article.
at the bottom of the page was a link I clicked on...The UN's plan to control food!!!
The UN's plan

I think I am going to go have a good temper tantrum and be sick

Originally posted by RFBurns
Still if the adults were selling that food out of their house like a retail operation without the proper health permits to do so, its illegal..dont you get that?

It's illegal, big deal. It's only illegal because it is defined as being illegal. It certainly doesn't mean that it is immoral or wrong to do.

Gimme a break!!! What if they were selling meth and coc aine...and there were kids in the house....would the tune be different then?

Given the limited resources of the SWAT police, why are they not bashing down the doors of the meth/crack/coc aine houses?

Why are they not bashing down the doors of the child porno/brothels? Don't tell me that they wouldn't know where they are located either...

Why are they not bashing down the doors of all the car chop-shop rebirthing garages?

Instead, what do the SWAT police decide to do? That's right, they use their resources to bash down the doors of someone selling food...

Think about it.

[edit on 5-12-2008 by tezzajw]

you can tell when farm goods are spoilt just by looking at them or the smell of them.
Hotdogs on the other hand are harder to detect for bacteria and being out of date.

but no one was forced to buy from the co-op, it was just one more choice taken away from citizens.

Here's a point to consider (not pointing the finger at any one person)

A retail store is just that; retail...as in Safeway, Winn-Dixie and such.

A Co-Op is just that; a cooperation between a 'community' of people...the general public doesn't come in off the street and buy off the shelves. At least not when I belonged to a co-op back in the day

Having a Co-Op is NOT selling retail, it has members (and members of said SWAT team were denied membership!)
Each member of a co-op contributes to the whole (each has a 'duty')

Off my soapbox now

First thing that popped into my head is that these SWAT guys know what's coming and want a little insurance. I don't know about oppressing the Amish or whatever, I think this food has been taken for their own personal use in case of a national emergency.

I find it interesting that there is no mention of this in any "legitimate" news source. It is all blogs?

Here is the newspaper for the county that LaGrange is located in.

www.morningjournal.com...

another local paper

www.news-herald.com...

All Ohio Newspapers:
www.ap.org...

Cant seem to find the story anywhere on a legit news site. Strange.


Makes me wonder what the real story is and whether it is true.



[edit on 12/5/2008 by greeneyedleo]

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its on the internet - and it clauims the US govt is evil - what more do you want - lol ???

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

its on the internet - and it clauims the US govt is evil - what more do you want - lol ???

Well, I'm starting to doubt the legitimacy of the story or the truthfulness of it. I'm tired, so maybe I just am not looking hard enough. But cant find the story - even a government version of it anywhere legitimate. I cant even find a single thing mentioned on "Manna Storehouse" mentioned in any OH newspaper (that ive looked at so far).

*shrug*

[edit on 12/5/2008 by greeneyedleo]

That's the Swat's role now terrorize families that sell food without a license? Man they should visit the cities more often then I see plenty of places that operate without licenses.

-Ign0RanT

I am a farmer and the bank has not cut off my credit yet, but I see it coming because they finance fewer every year and I was even told by my banker to never let anybody get a lien on my land. They are just backing us farther into the corner every year. WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO FARM WITH THE PRICES WHERE THEY ARE.

The government (USDA) is the worst. A few years ago they tried to foreclose on me. I had repaid my loan, paid it early and even overpaid it and they WOULD NOT even let my lawyer prove that I had repaid it. At first, I went to them and told that there had been a mistake. The loan officer reviewed my records and told me that he didn't care what the record said, that I was going to repay it again. Then I asked for a meeting with his bosses, they just said that they were going to have to foreclose on me. I then asked for a national appeals hearing. This is where they told my lawyer that he could NOT present evidence that I had repaid my loan. Later I had another NAD hearing with the same results. Then my lawyers told me that farmers never won these hearings and that they had pulled the record of one of the hearing officers that had the job for over 10 years and that he had ruled in the favor of a farmer only one time. Then I had the loan officer investigated by the office of inspector general, twice, one time by the Atlanta office and from Washington because what had happened is that he had been arrested for a coc aine trafficking charge at the time that my money went missing and I found out that he had paid a man to take the rap for him so that he would not have to go to jail and lose his government job. They told me that he had never been involved in drugs. I just sent them a copy of the newspaper article where he had been arrested and told them that they didn't want to find anything on him. I have even called the congressmen and senators from my state, but they will do nothing.

All the government wants to do is separate us and take us down one at the time. As long as we let them, they will continue to do so. I may never get anywhere with the usda, but I intend to be a pain in the a$$ as long as I can. What they did to me was obvious and it was wrong.

Originally posted by Maxmars
This story is shocking, to say the least.

no .


no it is not shocking. at all.

economy failing...
food prices rising...
rumors of a new great depression..

and you're shocked by anti-food-hoarding raids???
(or at least "hoarding" as the excuse)

give me a break.

do NOT tell me you didn't see this coming.


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I could be wrong but there has to be something more to this? Even if it were a liscencing or safety issue that's a code violation from a civil inspector.

There is probably more to the co-op aspect of it. Are they part of a militia, was there some suspicion that maybe they were also trading in weapons of some type?

Did there daughter want to be the captain of the cheerleading squad and the girl who is got food poisoning from something the family sold them?

I know we have a fascist government that's only getting worse but I don't see them making their big push if one is to come in little fits and starts and stops like this.

People are too scared right now and the worst possible portion of the population is the part that is too scared. The educated people who know what's going on and what's up.

We should be psyching them out, not letting them pysche us out.

We still have the legitimate right to free speech. We can say any outrageous thing we want especially if you have no assetts worth a punative civil lawsuit for slander.

People might think you are crazy for sharing the bulk of what you know but lets face it, not only are U.S. Government Agencies monitoring all the mainstream Internet blogs so are a lot of other Governments.

Ultimately its a thin wall of politicians and law enforcement, augmented by some military that seperates the rich elite from the unwashed masses.

They protect themselves normally in three ways. Promoting ignorance, which presumably we are not. Corrupting the intelligent by offering rewards or riches for making your intellect and skills available to them, or frightening the intelligent through the implied threat of their power.

The rest of the bulk of the masses are simply ignorant and oblivious.

The place to be most of the time talking about these things is out in the mainstream amongst the masses and trying to achieve synergy in that.

If they see momentum towards enlightment about who they are and their agendas and growing numbers of people robbing them of the shock and awe ellement of suprise, then they notice just how thin that line is.

They are counting on the masses to recognize the ligitamacy of their authority if and when they make a real move. To just say oh, alright yes, I will get my things and come along, or sure come in have a look.

When people become aware and are prepared to contest that authority peacably it becomes much harder.

I watched an old black and white film on the first traffic light being installed in Miami Beach and the police trying to ticket the first J-Walkers.

The elderly retirees just laughed at the police and said shoot me, this is America I am not signing anything or taking a ticket for crossing the street and they would hobble off while the frustrated police officers would just scratch their heads.

Make their imaginations run wild.

Psyche them out.

Let them know you know.

If there is going to be camps we are going to be in them likely one way or the other.

What do we have to loose?

Have some fun at the New World Order's expense, let them know just how silly you think their plans are and how few of them they really are and how identified they really are and have them loosing sleep. Remind them the penalties for treason and sedition.

We have free will and no legistlation, legislative body, authority figure or weapon can take that away from us.

If you are worried about subliminal messages don't watch TV buy a book!

We have an advantage this election has a lot of people politically active now.

We have an advantage everyone is broke with time on their hands thanks to their poor planning.

If you are really worried, put that advantage to work and get the word out there.

They will back off when they loose the element of surprise they need to establish legitimacy of their actions in the general populace.

Take it away from them. With a pen.

Its mightier than the sword.


[edit on 5/12/08 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

This license thing is questionable at best , people sell barbequed sausages in bread all the time without licences .

Originally posted by RFBurns
reply to post by realshanti

 

Didnt you read my post. I did say that holding the kids and toddlers at gun point for so long was a bit over the edge. Or did you overlook that part?


Still if the adults were selling that food out of their house like a retail operation without the proper health permits to do so, its illegal..dont you get that?

Lets just all go out and drive around without a license and insurance, lets all just go out and rob banks and kidnap people and anything else illegal.

Cmon it isnt that difficult to understand whats right and what isnt.

Again as I said, they didnt have to hold the kids and toddlers at gun point like that. But that does not mean that the illegal operation of selling food to the public without proper permits is excusable just because there are kids and toddlers in the house when illegal activity is going on in said house.

I am willing to bet that anyone here who would have bought something from this illegal operation and had gotten sick from that food and ended up in the hospital with serious if not fatal food poisoning, would all be singing a different tune dispite there were kids in the house.

Gimme a break!!! What if they were selling meth and coc aine...and there were kids in the house....would the tune be different then?


Cheers!!!!

[edit on 5-12-2008 by RFBurns]

LOL. Licensing is a joke! Do you think because some one has a license they will follow the law, have any concern for the consequences of their actions or give a rats arse about morals or ethics? Where have you been lately? A license is nothing more than paying your local mobster to keep them off of your back. As long as the local grunt for the mob gets his cut every thing will be neatly filed away as completed per applicable law.


I have no idea if this story is true, but your reply is disheartening considering the position the US is in right now. A family held at gun point, let me say that again, AT GUN POINT, while the food in the house is taken (albeit $10K worth) it is food for crying out loud.

Your position speaks volumes for the typical "trust the government" movement that forces human nature aside and holds that we must follow the law despite any harm we may perpetuate on ourselves. Why on earth would these people have $10K worth of product if they were selling poisonous food? What ever happened to people being responsible for their actions? If these people were hurting others then dont ya think people would not be buying their stuff? Come on.

And most importantly as some one else stated, does not the SWAT team have more important fish to fry? That is the real issue. Forget licensing, poisonous food, co-ops, circumventing the law. If this story is true you can not doubt that there are much larger problems facing each and every one of us.

So maybe the SWAT team and all the investigators are bogged down by the letter of the law and cant raid that meth house yet, or maybe they are still building the case against that sex slave pimp. What makes me nervous is that they can come in to YOUR HOUSE and hold guns to you and your kids heads for some FOOD for crying out loud. If that does not bother you, then I would love to meet you when the SHTF. You will probably be cuddled in a corner with soil soaked undies screaming for me to help you. Problem for you is I wont if you wont stand up on your own 2 feet while you are able to do so.

Wow. I cant Believe i did not hear about this. I live about 15 miles from La Grange

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Keep fighting man! You're the very people we need in this day and age. I pray to God you make out well.

hmmm... this is an important issue and if this is indeed true it sets the stage for anything else food related that isn't controlled by the higher ups i.e backyard gardens etc... I went to their website and it looks like a legit organization, no idea why they used such ferocity. I emailed them to get the whole story, but I would be willing to drive out there to speak with the family in question if need-be. I'll report back when I actually know something...

I looked into their rules & policy's it clearly states that

Manna Storehouse is not licensed or approved by any federal, state or local agency and it does not have any plans to do so in the future.

also

Members agree to take full responsibility for their own health, health choices, food choices and food quality.

cant we make our own decisions?? apparently not.

I think that the phone numbers to the Heads of the town and police should be given out and people start calling to get answers.

The the Mormons do this all the time. Food coop's and you buy it from the group, and if they are doing it all the same way then you have to be a member to buy the food. It is not just sold out the door to anyone who comes buy.

Like I have said in the past. What we see going on now is that the government is really scared. And the leaders are going to get more desperate as time goes on. And to declare martial law will not help.
The whole reason our form of government works is because we want it to work as a people. It is not because it is something out of this world.

And when the people see that it is not working then there will be nothing that they can do to stop it.
I my self wonder just how bad they think it is going to get? As just look on the face's of the officials when they talk on the news. I am starting to see real fear.

Something very strange about this... it doesn't sound right.

Anyway, here's an update from the people who were "swatted". Strange that they haven't been charged with anything, and stranger still that they are avoiding the media.

So there's your answer as to why the MSM isn't covering this - they're avoiding the media.

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