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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
So basically you are saying they didn't get their ideas from the Christian Churches they probably attend, but from their own imaginations, because they are not Catholic?
Originally posted by badmedia
So you support gay rights? Again I'll ask, what commandment are they breaking.
Which commandments am I breaking? Please let me know. What commandments am I dismissing?
It's called looking at the sin rather than the sinner. It is not my place to judge others. More importantly here, why is judging others allowed in your personal faith when you claim. There is a difference in having an opinion and judging someone.
It can be your opinion that being gay is wrong. Nothing wrong about that. It's your choice.
You judge them when you put you them down, do not love them and treat them in manner you wouldn't want to be treated in. That is wrong, you are now putting yourself above another to make the choice for them.
Originally posted by dalan.
I don't think you understand what badmedia is trying to say at all. He never once stated that "we can do whatever we want", or "we can choose to follow whichever commandment suites our fancy".
Comprehension problems much?
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by GRANDWORLDDRAMA
God 'nuked' Sodom and Gomorrah, according to the Bible, because the townspeople were generally wicked (never minding of course the children, infants, and newborns in the cities). They had turned away from God, and cared nothing for anyone but themselves.
Originally posted by saint4God
The authority over some things, not authority above God nor equal to Christ.
Originally posted by badmedia
God is internal.
Paul teaches that God is sovereign and that we should not be spending our time trying to bring the powers that be to our sense of justice.
True power does come from God. Satan believes his power is independant of God's control, which of course is not true. Reading the whole book gives good clarification to these points.
Incorrect statement about Paul, he had a lot of very liberating things to say including:
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28
Free will existed in Genesis, whether that's Jesus' doing or not I suppose would be a separate debate.
[edit on 26-11-2008 by saint4God]
Mark 16:16.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
1 Corinthians 7:13-14.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
Originally posted by Incarnated
although we say basicly the same thing, You're ending point needs a little refinement.
Paul was a good man. Paul was just the spindoctor of the time. It might be because of Paul's spin that christianity is a world wide religion today. Not saying this is the case, but it could be seen as such. I believe Paul looked at many posabilities and then chose the longest lasting spin.
You have to put quite the spin on a stone to skip it accross a pond of thousands of years.
The only evil left is the illusion of evil.
Originally posted by badmedia
Paul, and even the powers of today believe that power and authority are signs of god. They believe they are put their by god, and as such what they do is godly. That people should always submit to authority wherever it may be. Survival of the fittest.
Jesus taught the individual people were the authority. Jesus taught that those who lived by gods law where signs of god. He actually taught anarchy, and that is why the powers of the time killed him. He threatened their power.
Originally posted by Incarnated
You jaded biased video is wrong. Jesus never taught anything of the sort. Jesus very clearly defined "This world" as over here and "That world" as over there.
Render to cezar that which is cezars and unto God that which is Gods.
You want to believe the "church" is some evil controling force, but you're wrong. They ain't nothing but a bunch of men that get older and older daily and whom will meet their maker just like you. Consern yourself with what will be your lot on that day and do not busy-body yourself with the day of judgement upon another. You will all have your day of Judgement.
The Teachings of Jesus are still contained within the bible if someone is willing to look.
Originally posted by realshanti
reply to post by DarkspARCS
Not really a monkey wrench but one thing to add - you are right about ALL Scripture plus truth does not fight against itself...the word does not fight against itself and the fact that believers use the word to fight and criticize each other, and put yet another "spin" on the matter comes from a private interpretation of scripture...which does not come from the Spirit but from the "spirit of the prophet which is subject to the prophet..." the fact that the word is used this way is a simple shame..... and not in the Spirit of Yeshuah, nor the letter if you want to get technical....
Originally posted by DarkspARCS
Jesus was born of the Jewish Belief. That belief mandated that there was an ALL POWERFUL God, known mainly by His name Yahweh, or Jehovah in the English language.