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Who Killed John O'neil? your thoughts and opinions.

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posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 01:08 AM
I was watching WKJO a great movie about 9-11 it made alot of points things that I have yet to see brought up over here or anywhere for that matter such as the fact the Taliban never burned the poppy fields as they and the US government have claimed and the evidence that Al-queda may actually be a cartel rather than a terrorist organization.What did those of you who have seen the flim think?

posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 02:25 AM
I enjoyed the movie, it kept me on the edge of my seat. The way it was presented was much better than the other documentaries that present everything as a fact.

Here's the movie on Google Video, have a look if you haven't:

Google Video Link

To the poppy thing: Wasn't it the other way around? The Taliban burned the fields, and after the US invaded Afghanistan, the poppy production skyrocketed? Or do I remember this wrongly?

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posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 03:18 PM
reply to post by SiONiX
It was mentioned in the flim sionix watch it.

posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 08:27 PM
reply to post by mike dangerously

Who killed John o'neil? The same people who did 911.

There were so many hurdles put forth by higher agencies
to track bin laden pre 911
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posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 08:34 PM

Originally posted by IvanZana
Who killed John o'neil? The same people who did 911.

That's exactly why this is an important question.

posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 08:49 PM
I really wish that movie wasnt written as if a schizophrenic was narrating it. The content seemed pretty decent, and raised some questions, but after five minutes of listening to it I couldn't take any more. Is there any other videos with someone else doing the talking about this subject?

posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 08:55 PM

Originally posted by deadline527
I really wish that movie wasnt written as if a schizophrenic was narrating it.

Is that debunking or a form of adhominen?

The point is the information presented in the film which should be discussed fully and rationally. After all isnt this what ats was for?

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posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 04:07 PM
reply to post by IvanZana

Ivan, this video is puffed over and over again in this forum and always the issues discussed revolve around presentation and style.

Yes the film has a lot of useful information in it and is definitely worth watching if and it's a big if you are willing to put up with a long extended exercise in "Actors Studio" style "method" acting.

This film is John Cassavetes meets Marlin Brando and Ben Gazzara at the library for an angst-fest.

This thread is nothing more than an attempt to puff (an old theatrical term, meaning promote) a video which (rightly or wrongly) because of presentation issues is in a coma on life support.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

posted on Dec, 2 2008 @ 08:04 AM
yea, I'm all for a remake of a less lunatic' movie about John Oneil.

has anyone heard of a 911 movie based on all the points... you know like a action film from the eyes of the perpratrators. and then we the people discover the truth and proceed to get our revenge and hang about 3000 of them... and most are millionaires... now that would send the right message in my plot and conclusion of 911. Welcome to America, the land of Justice for all. everyone is equal under the law... (geez, just thinking about all of this propoganda these people have poured in my head over the years.. I dont know guys... double think and double talk for 200 years... I'm sort of scared at what we would find if we were able to know all.

Nothing to See Here - Move along - keep moving - nothing to see here....

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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 06:53 AM
I live in Spain. For 4 years (1999 - 2002) lived in Salou, where apparantly J.O´Neil, had been giving an anti terrorism chat, to other anti terrorism specialists. I lived maybe 200 meters from the hotel where they stayed.

I have spoken to people here who state that O´Neil wasnt giving chats, he was simply on holiday with the wife and kids (that i cannot and do not believe) they also said that he actually CHANGED hotel, from where he was staying to the the hotel where ATTA was, and that they had adjoining rooms.

Later atta changed to a hotel in Tarragona.

That Atta y O´Neil where in the same hotel, at the same time and in adjoining rooms ????

And people still ask why this poor guys now six feet under??

There is a quote from a famous 17th century spanish poet - Francisco de Quevedo - "DONDE HAY POCA JUSTICIA ES GRAVE TENER RAZON"
(In a country) where theres little justice its dangerous to tell the truth

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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 09:34 AM
I remember this film. The acting was skitzo, but the info was clear. Before I saw this video, I had never even heard of Kroll. After seeing this, i decided to look up this "company" and the information I gathered sent shivers up my spine.

If nothing else, it has introduced us to this "company" which is a very big and very dirty CIA front.

And Poor John O'Neil...he actually made the mistake of making it known he suspected complicity in the U.S. government in regards to Al-Qaeda. He knew al-qaeda was an enormous threat, and perhaps knew more about them than anyone in the FBI. Imagine his surprise as the further he dug, the closer to home his trails kept leading him.

He paid the ultimate price for it, I think.

BTW, Andy, I live in Spain too, though down in Andalucia. I did not know that about O'neil and Atta in Madrid. It seems I am right. O'neil was probably finding out that Al_Qaeda was not such a distant threat at all, and it's supporters and operatives could be found right in his own backyard.

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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 11:41 AM
reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

It didnt happen in Madrid, he coincided with Atta in Salou. In the Montsant hotel, calle barcelona 33, to be precise on the 17th of July 2001.
Its not really a hotel, its what they call a "pension" in Spain, as you´llknow, its more like a hostal.
Im sure a man of his standing would have picked a much nicer (and costlier) hotel of 5 star standing for his stay....but then again Atta wasnt staying in a 5***** was he!!
I live in Reus, 10 mins away, but my sons godfather lives 500 meters from the hotel, and i go to Salou nearly every weekened..
In 2001 i ran a bar in the Calle Norte, only 300 metres away, maybe i saw Atta or maybe i passed O´Neil on the street without knowing what was to become of the both, who knows..i dont remember.

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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 12:37 PM

posted by SiONiX
To the poppy thing: Wasn't it the other way around? The Taliban burned the fields, and after the US invaded Afghanistan, the poppy production skyrocketed? Or do I remember this wrongly?

No. You have it right. The Taliban tried to destroy the poppy fields, and the Bush Family Mafia rescued the opiate poppies and had US Marines patrolling and standing guard and protecting them 24/7. You really have to realize that illicit drugs are only a small portion of the hundreds of billions in yearly profits from opium. Heroin is derived from morphine. Hundreds of pharmaceuticals including morphine are made from opium poppies. The legal drug industry is a powerful corporate force in the New World Order. They need to keep their slaves under control.

posted by IvanZana
Who killed John o'neil? The same people who did 911.

posted by SiONiX
That's exactly why this is an important question.

I think Jerome Hauer should be the #1 suspect in the murder of John O'Neill. He was most definitely a shill on with Dan Rather the morning of 9-11, presenting the script for the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY. We have a lot of shills for the 9-11 perps right here on the ATS Forum. They are simple to recognize.

Meet Jerome Hauer (aka Anthraxman) 9/11 Suspect Awaiting Indictment

The World Trade Center

Jerome Hauer's connections with terror and counter-terror started with and concentrated on biological warfare, but they don't stop there.

On September 11, 2001, in addition to his job with the NIH, Jerome Hauer was also Managing Director of Kroll Associates, a well-established security firm serving clients in the military and the US government. In the 1980s, Kroll was known as the "CIA of Wall Street" because of the sorts of the people it hired, and the sorts of tasks they were assigned.

Strangely, perhaps, on 9/11, Kroll was in charge of security for the entire World Trade Center complex.

The head of security at the WTC on September 11, 2001, was former FBI counter-terror specialist John P. O'Neill.

O'Neill, considered the world's leading expert on Osama bin Laden, had resigned his post as Deputy Director of the FBI during the summer, very unhappy with the Bush administration's head-in-sand "approach" to terror, after investigations into Osama bin Laden and al-Q'aeda had been blocked.

Who Killed John O'Neill?

John O'Neill started his new job at the WTC shortly before he was killed there. His having landed that particular job at that particular time raises some very interesting questions.

Among them: Why does this matter?

If, as many people believe, 9/11 was a false-flag operation designed to implicate Osama bin Laden, then a legend, or a cover story, involving bin Laden would have to be fabricated, disseminated very quickly, and swallowed whole -- not just by the American people but by the people of the world.

And John O'Neill was a most -- if not the most -- formidable obstacle in the way of such a cover story.

He was not only the world's leading expert on bin Laden, but he was also regarded as a "loose cannon", because of his record of working outside normal channels when normal channels were "blocked". He knew FBI investigations into bin Laden and al-Q'aeda had been shut down in the summer of 2001 and it is extremely unlikely that he would have remained quiet about it. He also knew whether or not Osama bin Laden was capable of inflicting the amount of damage the US suffered on 9/11.

In other words, if the conspirators were hoping to spread a Big Lie about Osama bin Laden, they would have had a short list of things they absolutely had to do.

Surely, one of the items on that list would be to silence John O'Neill.

And what better way than to entomb him at the scene of the crime?

So many questions!

Who got John O'Neill the WTC job?

Strangely, perhaps, John O'Neill was lured to the WTC position by his old friend Jerome Hauer, Managing Director of Kroll.

Very strange indeed, don't you think?

. . . . . . . .

How did Dan Rather happen to have a guest with him on the morning of 9/11 who knew the entire official story before it became public knowledge?

Jerome Hauer was introduced to CBS's viewers as a former director of NYC's OEM. Strangely, perhaps, CBS News audiences were not told he was also a managing director of the security company responsible for the twin towers. And of course no one was told to start taking Cipro -- except the White House.

Harley Davidson Guy starts at 1:00 in this video and Anthraxman Jerome Hauer starts at 2:45.

Google Video Link

posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 01:01 PM
reply to post by SPreston

On the 10th of Spetember 2001 O´Neil worked till late and then passed a few hours drinking with his lover, and his old firend Jerome Hauer. Apparently that night Hauer assured O´Neil that the "terrorists want to finish the job they started in 1993, and destroy the twin towers"..
The next day O´Neil, after saying sorry to his wife for staying out late the night before, went to work on the 32nd floor of the north tower...and the history of the world would change forever.

posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 12:22 PM
I don't think anyone set out to kill John O'Neil. From what I have heard, O'Neil could have escaped from the building, but due to his very admirable sense of responsibility, he stayed as long as possible to help others get out of the building.

I'm sure that O'Neil wasn't the only one in counter terrorism who knew that investigations were being stifled from above.

"Who killed John O'Neil?" is what Alfred Hitchcock used to call a mcguffin, just a contrived gimmick to hang the rest of the movie on. IMHO.

The meeting with Atta, if it took place is interesting. It would fit the paradigm established by Daniel Hopsicker, of Atta being a CIA asset of some sort, trained at US military establisments. Maybe at that period, O'Neil knew Atta as someone from that milieu.

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posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 04:28 PM

Originally posted by andy1972
It didnt happen in Madrid, he coincided with Atta in Salou. In the Montsant hotel, calle barcelona 33, to be precise on the 17th of July 2001.

Here is the entry from the timeline:

July 5-16, 2001: John O’Neill’s Movements in Spain Roughly Overlap with Those of 9/11 Hijackers and Associates

. . . Associates of the hijackers gather in Granada, in southern Spain, at the beginning of July (see July 6, 2001 and Shortly After). O’Neill arrives in Spain with some friends on July 5 and stays in Marbella until at least July 8. . . . After leaving Madrid, Atta travels to Catalonia, where he meets Ramzi bin al-Shibh and possibly other associates (see July 8-19, 2001). The authors of The Cell, one of whom—John Miller—was a close friend of O’Neill’s, will say O’Neill also visits the same part of Catalonia to make a speech at some point on his trip to Spain (note: it is unclear whether this is just a garbled account of his speech in Madrid, or whether he made two speeches). They will also say that he and Atta even stay at the same hotel, the Casablanca Playa in the small town of Salou, but at different times. [Miller, Stone, and Mitchell, 2002, pp. 289-90, 293] O’Neill leaves Spain on July 16, so he and his girlfriend Valerie James would probably be in the Salou area at around the same time as Atta, bin al-Shibh, and their associates. [Weiss, 2003, pp. 340-2] The overlap between the 9/11 operatives on the one hand and O’Neill and Rossini on the other is usually ignored in media accounts, but the episode in Salou is mentioned in The Cell, which indicates it is a mere coincidence. [Miller, Stone, and Mitchell, 2002, pp. 289-90]

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posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 05:11 PM
reply to post by SPreston
Harley Guy was clearly a plant he was placed at the scene in order to establish the official story as was Hauer.It has always bothered me that O'Neill's and other's investigations had been blocked from on high.Kroll was tasked with getting rid of people who could dispute the government's 9-11 storyline and John O'neill was certainly someone who could do just that.

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posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 12:37 AM
reply to post by ipsedixit

The spanish ministry of justice dont really have a clue what went on here.
The informs are full of contradcitions.
Atta checked in to the Hotel Casablanca playa using U.S. driving licence A300540068321 the 16th. The 17th he stayed in the MONTSANT,Paying with a visa card issued from a British bank.

Atta was stopped for a speeding offence on the 26th of april 2006 in Florida, he didnt have a driving licence, and the cop being of good nature gave him a month to get one, he was given a citation to appear on the 26th of may. Over the next few days he managed to get one (5th of may). However he never showed to the hearing, and a state wide arrest warrent was issued.

The 5th of July he was stopped again for speeding, in Palm Beach, florida.
Officer Scott Gregory asked for his licence and run a check through the cars onboard computer....and his name never showed. F.B.I statistics say this type of error happens only 1 in 100,000.

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