originally posted by: Anonymous ATS
Ladies and Jerkoff's its real. # it ill say it. Prove its not!
originally posted by: Horza
reply to post by free_spirit
. . . the video is considered to be either genuine or "the best hoax ever seen" and that all attempts to prove it a hoax have been inconclusive at
best.
I'm rezzing this because nobody with an open mind or with the ability to think critically addressed this earlier (which is odd because there are
usually a few on ATS who aren't afraid to think critically).
The burden of proof of whether Diaz's claims are true is
_not_ on disbeliebers. The burden of proof is
_squarely_ on the shoulders of
Diaz to demonstrate that alien life forms from outside our solar system actually visited him and lent him a tripod. Diaz has _not_ demonstrated any
of this, he has only demonstrated that he collected light from some object, recorded it in some digital format, and shared some of it while being
incredibly secretive about other parts of it.
We have absolutely
_zero_ observable evidence of intelligent lifeforms creating plasma ships and flying them around. Even if we saw plasma
ships flying around every day and they came to pick us up and take us to work and school we wouldn't have evidence of alien life forms building the
ships, we would simply have evidence of ships flying around.
A hypothesis _must_ be based on a prior observation, otherwise it is just a conjecture or a guess. Even if we assume it is
_true_ that aliens
exist and create plasma ships we wouldn't be able to make a hypothesis that aliens interact with our solar system because we don't have any
observations of it.
Let me say that again: given that alien plasma ships are real and fly around on Earth and interact with humans, we would
_not_ be able to make
the hypothesis that aliens interact with us because we don't have any observation of aliens.
Also, people seem to be confused about what open minded means. It does
_not_ mean the ability to be gullible enough to belieb claims just
because they have not been proven wrong (that is the argument from ignorance fallacy). It means being okay with the conclusion if the conclusion
means we are wrong, and being okay if the conclusion means we are right. In other words, if aliens interacted with Diaz, I'm fine with it. And if
aliens don't exist in our galaxy, I'm fine with that also. Most of the members here who claim to be "open minded" are okay with aliens interacting
with humans, but hardly any are okay with that
_not_ being the case.
Again, the burden is on Diaz to demonstrate that an alien "hypothesis" is anything more than a conjecture, and showing videos of ships made of light
does nothing to support his claim. Nevermind that he hasn't even demonstrated that his photos or videos even record any such ships to begin with.
I don't claim Diaz is a hoaxer, but he certainly hasn't given anyone
_good_ reasons to become beliebers in his extraordinary claims. So, the
default position remains the same: lack of belief until sufficient evidence has been presented demonstrating that plasma ships actually exist AND that
aliens exist in our galaxy AND that aliens interact with humans AND that the
_best_ explanation for said (and as yet, unverified) ships are the
aliens and not something else.
An open minded, critically thinking person would stick with the default until, and
_only_ until, the burden of proof has been met. Everyone
else (the vast majority) can, and will, belieb anything they want as long as they remain infallible wrt their core beliefs. I'm ok with being wrong,
are you?
[Edit, forgot to append "critically" to my opening sentence]
edit on 5-11-2014 by TheKnox because: [Edit, forgot to append "critically" to my
opening sentence]