IR camera - 7 UFO's seen.

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Their reflecting sun light. Best IR source in the solar system.

reply to post by D4rk Kn1ght


The tops of the clouds reflect IR from the sun (that's what we see in IR satellite images). The bottoms (which we see) reflect infrared from the surface of the earth.

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Where do you think the IR comes from in the first place to bounce off the earth? The sun. So, the clouds are reflecting the suns IR as I said.

Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
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No sorry it isn't. Thats the domain for IR film or specialist equipment as the sensitivity is so much higher than a camera sensor on a unit thats a bulk standard non-specialised piece ala Canon G6.

No worries, but while you are shooting those test pics, could you also include one of a person? I just want to see what it looks like.
Thanks.

Hank, give me two minutes and I will do a side by side materials comparison under an incadescent light giving off alot of IR. You will be amazed.Be right back.

reply to post by D4rk Kn1ght


OK. The point being that there is much IR coming from the surface to reflect off of objects (clouds, planes, ufo's, birds) in the sky. Because of the level of contrast, IR (radiated or reflected) will show very brightly against the sky.

Hope you can get some shots of high flying birds for comparison.

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The birds would have to be white and reflecting very oddly. A balck bird doesnt look white under IR.

I'm not saying they are birds. Just that something does not have to radiate to show brightly IR in the sky.

BTW. Snow geese are white and can fly at very high altitudes.

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Originally posted by Phage
I'm not saying they are birds. Just that something does not have to radiate to show brightly IR in the sky.

BTW. Snow geese are white and fly at very high altitudes.

Im not saying its impossible but I might suggest its very peculiar. At that altitude a bird which isnt visible to the eye shouldnt really show up like that under IR. I find it highly irregular.

Comparisons of the old olive drab bergen from the British Army. Look at why it is so rubbish for using if your on the run. It glows like a beacon under an IR source light, even one as weak in energy as an old non-energy saving house hold bulb.



With out an IR capable camera, and now with my IR only camera.

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Oh I'll get some shots and post them here, no worries about that. To make it fair ill use another real nice sunny morning.

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Thats my point all along. They were so high and yet were so clear on the screen that it made me go ! especially as I had just watched them come over the clouds, and UK do not have snow geese, swans yes, snow geese no. Oh and they were going south to north and its winter time.

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Again, it's the contrast. In visible light the sky is bright. In IR it is dark. Against a bright sky it is hard to see small white objects. Against a dark sky it is easier.

I don't know what the objects are. All we can really tell is that there are some dots. They may be large objects very high or not so large objects not so high. The may be radiating or reflecting IR. There is no way to judge from this photograph.

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No but when he gets the ones of birds we might be able to rule that out. Also maybe someone could check the flying formation, if its birds they will be flying in stable formation and that doent look like birds.

Theres science behind the way birds fly, the lead birds reduce the drag allowing the rest of the flock to relax a bit. Every so long the lead bird with dive from formation accounpanied by the two flanking birds to a lower level where they will shield cover him and let him get his breath, and then they return to the rear.

Im no specialist in identifying the exact flight pattern of birds but im sure that would be easily checked, I do know birds moving in groups follow a very specific flight pattern.

Originally posted by Phage
Again, it's the contrast. In visible light the sky is bright. In IR it is dark. Against a bright sky it is hard to see small white objects. Against a dark sky it is easier.

They are white because they are either reflecting or radiating IR. The camera is not visible light capable. How many times do I have to tell you that? If it was white, green, blue, yellow and not IR reflective or radiating, it would not be seen at all as the sensor is IR light only.

That it has shown up means it is doing so under IR conditions, reflection, or radiating.

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You never had to tell me. Clearly I understand the concept since it is the basis of what I have been saying all along and it was the point of my reply to silver6ix who said:

At that altitude a bird which isnt visible to the eye shouldnt really show up like that under IR

Visible light: light colored object in bright sky = hard to see
IR: light colored (reflecting or radiating) object in dark sky = easier to see

One more time. It is a matter of contrast.

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in the photo, yup cool UFO.
but not sure what you've really seen at that moment...

Could be a group of bird flying at night....

The configuration of the dots remind me of the first event of the Phoenix sitings (not the flares). Of course, they are literally dots in the sky, so they could be just about anything.



Phoenix Lights (first event)





Phoenix Lights, contrast enhanced

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If you read the opening statement, I believe it was taken in sunlight in infrared. Infrared makes the background sky behind the clouds (which reflect sunlight) appear black. Not a night shot here.

Question for the OP. How fast would you say the oblects were moving? Obviously, there are no points of reference other than the tree's below and it sounded like it all happened very quickly. Best guestimate? They look to be rather high altitutude from what I see.

If they were birds at high altitude, IMO, they would not produce enough IR reflectivity for you to capture. Sun or no sun.

Will be following this one! Any IR experts in the house?

Hey D4rk Kn1ght.. you said you saw a glint of something.. could this be what you see.. ive been watching these high altitude objects practically all summer and they are still there.. they go in and out of visiblity and ive seen them in groups.. i only find them through bino's but they can be visible with the eye when they start
flashing brightly... dont know what they are but im in a busy flight path here in south east london and ive see planes pass right by them..

heres a couple of vids.. they are tricky to film.. i cant see them on the camcorder screen so i filming
blind and hoping im pointing in the right place while using bino's to track them..


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i have seen loads of these things... and a lot of military choppers buzz around this area aswell..
i had this apache gunship circle over me not so long ago..

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Also this glowing object i see had 4 smaller objects near it..

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Ok.... just thought id mention that keep ya eye to the sky..

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