Australia trials national net filters

reply to post by Alucard Hellsing


I disagree-this is an Australian thing- ignorant yobs trying to make a show of 'protecting the kiddies' - its unique labor party parochialism.

I thought everyone might be interested in checking out this site

nocleanfeed.com...

It's a site set up to fight the new legislation.

Has a lot of info for those who are unsure of what exactly the government plan to do. Plus it has the minister's contact details and an online petition so as many people as possible can speak their mind and tell the government how stupid the idea is.

reply to post by Chadwickus


The question is will anyone speak their mind-I personally rang all relevant offices and did so-will you?
It might be our last chance.

[edit on 27-10-2008 by stewartw2]

reply to post by stewartw2


Exactly!

The word needs to be spread

Ok well protests for this will be on Nov 1st and Nov 5th noon at Parliament House for all states. I urge you all to come.

This is the beginning you must continue to protest against this fascism untill the word censor does not exist 1984 stylz.

Having all Australians' internet access subject to a secret and unaccountable government blacklist is completely unacceptable in a liberal democracy such as Australia.

Honestly its 2008 and i cannot believe this Saturday i have to go and protest against censorship. Honestly i thought we had put all this # behind us.

Censorship is a one way street to a totalitarian society.

Get yourselves fit and ready for anything because the bad times are coming.

reply to post by Chadwickus


I just sent an email off to the Senator at the addy at the site you posted.
There is also a protest march this Saturday outside parliament House .
I'll try to get to it if I can, if not I wish those luck who do attend.

reply to post by Flighty


Tel: (07) 3899 4031
Fax: (07) 3899 5755
the numbers for Kevin Rudds electoral office-his assistant was quite sympathetic-call him.

Anyone know of any protests taking place in Melbourne, or are they on the same dates as the others given ? i'd definately go! I've already sent an e-mail and signed the protest 3 times.

reply to post by Alucard Hellsing


Consider a telephone call-remember many of these people are not exactly living in the information age - this is serious sh-t!

[edit on 27-10-2008 by stewartw2]

[edit on 27-10-2008 by stewartw2]

Australia is a big place and when only a few turn up to the protests because of distance the pollies will think "Oh good not much resistance here". But I agree it has to be protested we have to do that. Also I think that its in the interest of other countries to help us protest. If it happens here then it can happen everywhere. I understand the previous technical argument that it can't happen and perhaps thats true at the moment but time does not stand still in the background they will continue to work on it and one day in the future it will raise its ugly head again.

Ok guys this filter is completely ludicrous. Personally I hope there's an option to turn it off or on (On by default, for parents peace of minds), because I honestly do not want to be restricted to what other people 'Think' is best for me.

Sure truly illegal substances should be banned, but google does a good job at that it seems on their search engines. (At the bottom you can see "# of pages have been hidden, not their words but I forget the message).

Honestly if this filter does come into place and sites such as ATS are blocked i'm going to go nuts.

This trial, will obviously if successful (from their viewpoint), be adapted to a lot of other countries, including I suspect the USA and UK. There goes our rights...

Again, a government seeks to regulate information, thought, ideas.

This is unbecoming of a free nation. Though, I fear the desire for freedom in recent times has been placed on a much lower priority than "security".
This might be acceptable, if it were the people requesting the security for themselves.
But regulating information doesn't provide security for the people, it provides security for the government, against the people.


I wonder what the Anonymous body would think of this...

I feel they might not take too kindly to a lock down on free information.

It seems ill conceived to filter the internet because of children. Last time I looked, this was an adults world where children still had to earn their stripes.

The computer game industry also suffers in Australia due to a draconian rating system pandering to children even though most of the money grossed on games is from the 21-35 age bracket.. those who have high expendable income.. not the kids (who's games are payed for by their parents). i.e. Everyone else suffers because parents buy their little kid an [M.A] game, then have the audacity to whinge about it! A similar phenomena applies to internet usage.

As far as I'm concerned, if parents are that worried about their children being exposed to unsavory elements on the web, then it's incumbent upon them to take some responsibility, police their own children and buy their own personal internet filter instead of expecting the rest of the country to take a hit on account of their own laziness.

Perhaps the government could supply these pitiful parents with a rebate on the software purchase. It would be a cheaper and simpler alternative to playing big brother. Instead, it appears the government are attempting to swat a fly with a hammer. Talk about an over reaction.

Idiot Pollies pandering to Lazy Parents who refuse to be 'Grown Ups'!

That's the real problem here!

IRM

Just to let you all know that there is no opt out.

Its a two tiered system. One tier is kiddie filtering (age they are aiming for is unknown).

The next tier is for adults, but all sites with illegal content will be black listed. Im pretty sure some examples on the leaked ACMA list are www.erowid.org, 4chan.org thats all i can remember.

So to reiterate THERE IS NO OPT OUT!!

When Senator Conroy gets up in parliament and says "dont worry there is an opt out option." What he means is that you can opt out of the kiddie filtering but not the second tier of filtering.

A reminder NOVEMBER 1ST NOON PARLIAMENT HOUSE FOR ALL STATES PROTEST ON INTERNET CENSORSHIP!!!!

This is the beginning, expect to protest more because if you dont they will just wittle away in the background untill they can silently implement this filtering system.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
I thought everyone might be interested in checking out this site

nocleanfeed.com...

It's a site set up to fight the new legislation.

Has a lot of info for those who are unsure of what exactly the government plan to do. Plus it has the minister's contact details and an online petition so as many people as possible can speak their mind and tell the government how stupid the idea is.

Perhaps a good idea would be add the link above to your everyday email signatures. Also a link to this thread, not just Aussie email's but worldwide email's. Come-on USA UK NZ get on board let the pollies know what the world thinks as well - it happens here it will spread.

Crikey has today leaked a November draft proposed Australian Internet censorship law: the Communications Legislation Amendment (Content Services) Bill 2006. I’ve had a look. It’s unbelievable.

Link to article:
www.crikey.com.au...
ders-in-a-tizz.html

Link straight to draft of the bill:
www.crikey.com.au...

So this is what lawfont.com thinks:

this draft doesn’t pass the laugh test. Really. It is inconsistent with fundamental values like freedom of speech and freedom of information; it is broad, draconian, and wouldn’t work, it is completely out of step with the way the Internet works (it seems to require pre-emptive monitoring of content by hosts before it even goes online). I think I’m back in the year 2000 - the last time this same government tried to write an Internet censorship law.

This is why we cant have nice things.

Now lets think about some of the content on ATS and if that jives with the governments attitude towards certain topics?

Filtering out the fury: how government tried to gag web censor critics
The Federal Government is attempting to silence critics of its controversial plan to censor the internet, which experts say will break the internet while doing little to stop people from accessing illegal material such as child pornography.

Internet providers and the government's own tests have found that presently available filters are not capable of adequately distinguishing between legal and illegal content and can degrade internet speeds by up to 86 per cent.

Documents obtained by us show the office of the Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, tried to bully ISP staff into suppressing their criticisms of the plan.

Senator Conroy has since last year's election victory remained tight-lipped on the specifics of his $44.2 million policy but, grilled by a Senate Estimates committee this week, he said the Government was looking at forcing ISPs to implement a two-tiered filtering system.

The first tier, which internet users would not be able to opt out of, would block all "illegal material". Senator Conroy has previously said Australians would be able to opt out of any filters to obtain "uncensored access to the internet".............................

link to rest of the age article

Net filters may block porn and gambling sites

The online users' lobby group Electronic Frontiers Australia expressed fears that the internet filters could be used as a bargaining chip every time the Government needed to pass a piece of important legislation. "Any group with an axe to grind and political clout will be lobbying the Government to blacklist websites which they object to," EFA spokesman Dale Clapperton said. "Having all Australians' internet access subject to a secret and unaccountable government blacklist is completely unacceptable in a liberal democracy such as Australia."

link to rest of another age article on the topic.

[edit on 28-10-2008 by blahdiblah]

reply to post by majestictwo



Brilliant idea!

This is the man behind the policy........

He feels its ok to bully any critics of censoring the internet.

Senator the Hon Stephen Conroy
Senator for Victoria

Positions:
Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy
Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate

Party: Australian Labor Party
Parliament Contact:
Phone: (02) 6277 7480
Fax: (02) 6273 4154
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Email: [email protected]

Electorate Office:
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PO Box 1067
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Phone: (03) 9408 0190
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1300 numbers are available from within Victoria only for the cost of a local call.
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Give him a piece of your mind.

This is bad, really bad.

It's a good idea in theory but it will be under the control of certain parties, likely the government or even third party.

What the hell is the Aus (and sequentially whoever else) going to do for open uncensored free press??

What will happen to my beloved internets when the filters fall into the wrong hands?


C'mon guys, flag and star this stuff, this is one of the worst conspiracies going on right now and we have the chance to do something about it before the event!

[edit on 10/28/2008 by Good Wolf]

Censorship is not and never will be a good idea.