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Originally posted by GodshipForAll
Yes maybe it is to you it's just me addressing the level of masons that most are. The ones with real power wouldn't be here on ATS. I don't like freemasons and am not here to persuade or influence them.... I'm going to dedicate a portion of my life advocating such groups be disbanded. We all have commonalities as living humans, fact. No matter where we are or what group we are in. I intend to comprehend and elaborate more on what we have in common in our basics needs and to emphasize unity through those. Start from scratch again because this world "plan" of ours is chaos...... and I'm believing purposefully.
You seem to be of the opinion that Masons feel themselves superior to non-Masons and I'm quite sure that no amount of assurance from this quarter that such is not the case would satisfy your desire to drag them down to the level at which you feel they should reside.
Originally posted by GodshipForAll
Ya singular because I'm referring to one example of the many in my town..
he runs and operates the Exxon gas station......they're take it easy can you sleep now..thanks for picking apart my #ty grammar you should be an english teacher very observant.... jesus.
yes, or you wouldn't be allowed restricted membership through gender, education and age etc. Why should people be restricted and any secrets withheld from everyone or anyone. I know todays world the powers of affiliations are surely going to withhold truths of their knowledge, proceedings and agendas from other affiliations. I'm thinking ultruistic in a fresh start without these "affiliations".......Where I'm getting at theres so many problems we need to dedicate our time in addressing locally then worldwide. There's perhaps a time and place for boys and girl clubs Sadly not now only in my opinion of course.
Awesome for you, I just volunteer through city hall as a public citizen when clean up projects are held or fund raisers. I didn't imply that masons thought themselves better for doing their charities, I was implying you don't need to be one to accomplish the same goals.
And sure Porch masons fund raise for their communities and oh ya so good...
Yes maybe it is to you it's just me addressing the level of masons that most are. The ones with real power wouldn't be here on ATS.
I don't like freemasons
I'm going to dedicate a portion of my life advocating such groups be disbanded.
Originally posted by GodshipForAll
www.youtube.com...
Here's some of the "creatures" adorning the parliament building.
Where'd you hear that? Jones?
Originally posted by GodshipForAll
Well seeing how it was designed built by Masons I figure it's masonic.
I realize that as a community college drop-out, Jones probably never took an art history course, but there's nothing occult about gargoyles or heraldry. Both predate Masonry by centuries.
At least Negative or Demonic in nature the creatures are......why not adorn the Publics house of Government and not the Masons house with butterflys and and bunny rabbits and ladybugs and doves and positive symbols..
What about Alex jones opinion on it?
Well, it would help if the video you linked to was actually JFK's speech. But the video you linked to has been edited to make the subject of his speech more ambiguous. The full text is here. Whoever posted that version on YouTube took out whole paragraphs. He was talking about freedom of the press in times of war. Read the full text, or &type=Audio]listen to it unedited, if you'd prefer.
and JfKs Speech?
Originally posted by GodshipForAll
Yes maybe it is to you it's just me addressing the level of masons that most are. The ones with real power wouldn't be here on ATS. I don't like freemasons and am not here to persuade or influence them.... I'm going to dedicate a portion of my life advocating such groups be disbanded. We all have commonalities as living humans, fact. No matter where we are or what group we are in. I intend to comprehend and elaborate more on what we have in common in our basics needs and to emphasize unity through those. Start from scratch again because this world "plan" of ours is chaos...... and I'm believing purposefully.
Where'd you hear that? Jones?
I realize that as a community college drop-out, Jones probably never took an art history course, but there's nothing occult about gargoyles or heraldry. Both predate Masonry by centuries.
Well, it would help if the video you linked to was actually JFK's speech. But the video you linked to has been edited to make the subject of his speech more ambiguous.
The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it’s in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.
you seem to be "against" masonry because it does not fit with how you believe the world should be.
(are you willing to divulge all your secrets..ALL OF THEM? No. Most people aren't willing either. Some things are supposed to be private).
Certainly masonry is not for everyone - or even for most. That I think no one disagrees on. But just because an organization does not fit with how you would like the world to be is not a reason to advocate against it. I passionately disagree with lots of things - societal structures, ideologies, political points of view, etc. - but I would never advocate to stop any of them. Because while I disagree with them, they have a right to exist.
You may want to '"start from scratch" - but what happens when other people don't want to? You speak of a "free society", and yet it is your deepest desire to enforce your will upon everyone else by forcing them to conform to how you believe world should be. And, perhaps most paradoxically, you spend most of this energy for a "new world" decrying an organization that is perhaps most well known for tolerance and letting other people have freedom - of religion, of ideology, and everything else.
I am. And not finding anything. Perhaps you could share your source?
Originally posted by GodshipForAll
Where'd you hear that? Jones?
No, I looked it up, you can to if you choose.
The winning architects - Thomas Fuller, Chilion Jones, Frederick Stent, and Augustus Laver - chose 'Civil Gothic' as the style most adapted to the special challenges of the site, poised as it was between the wild escarpment on one side and the ordered urban core on the other. According to the architects, the Civil Gothic style allowed the scenery from the river to be of the "boldest and grandest character" while that from Wellington Street would be "more park like."
This was not the careful, archaeologically correct English Gothic of Westminster, completed just a few years earlier. This was a much more flamboyant Gothic which drew on the traditions of Italy and France and northern Europe. As historian Victoria Angel has noted, the architects were young radicals who had come under the influence of the great critic and theorist John Ruskin. He had urged the development of a new more vibrant Gothic, emphasizing the decorative and picturesque qualities of the building, and the importance of richly patterned materials. Frederick Rubridge and Samuel Keefer, the young administrators of the project, encouraged these tendencies.
www.parliamenthill.gc.ca...
You saw what you wanted to see.
I saw more than just gargoyles.
Freemasonry as we know it? 1717, London.
Where did masonries roots come from and how old are they? When and where were they established? so maybe I can determine that.
I wonder, because they're certainly not Masons!
As for heraldry....yes the British coat and French coat of arms... British royalty, the queen, prince Philip, prince Charles their cousins and etc...... what groups are they affiliated with I wonder? Well I don't wonder really.
So in trying to defend your stance you link to the one that's INTENTIONALLY misleading? Bad choice.
Ya I've read and watched both un-edited and edited
versions.
Um, Communism? The speech was a year before the Cuban Missile Crisis, but Joseph McCarthy's fear that Communism was everywhere dates back a decade prior and that fear and feeling certainly hadn't dissipated by the time JFK was in office.
Ok so if he was talking about freedom of the press in war times, then what and whom was oppressing them? Whom was found out to be funding and backing both sides of the war now? Who was being and what groups where being exposed. These men weren't affiliated with any sort of secret society now were they?....And theres more secret societies than freemasons I know.
Read the whole speech again. He's clearly talking about Communism and the Cold War. Taking bits out of context doesn't change the rest of what he said, no matter how many times you do it.
The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it’s in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.
Whats your take on this?
Originally posted by GodshipForAll
Well seeing how it was designed built by Masons I figure it's masonic.
At least Negative or Demonic in nature the creatures are......why not adorn the Publics house of Government and not the Masons house with butterflys and and bunny rabbits and ladybugs and doves and positive symbols..
What about Alex jones opinion on it? and JfKs Speech?
Exxon wasn't started from a Rockfeller ?
Originally posted by GodshipForAllEnjoy your declining Memberhsip.