Group Protests Treament of Hadrons at CERN

Originally posted by VIKINGANT
Looks like its not just me.
I just noticed this thread
LHCountdown.com has gone down

My best guess is overload of people jumping on. I guees the link Zorgon gave us will probably crash around 9-10 Sept as well for the same reason

Not likely The Cern site has money and if my server can handle traffic like that I bet they can. I am running 5 terabytes right now...

I was thinking throwing an End of the World Party in 2012... maybe we should have one for this? You know countdown like New years and all?

Maybe I can talk a Casino into hosting it and take bets on the End of Everything... High Odds If nothing happens Casino wins If world ends you win Big Time...

errr well...... ummmm Well at least the Casinos won't have to pay out

Of course this is an attempt to ridicule the serious protestors. Seem pretty obvious to me. But then, like I've said before, most people really don't "get" satire.

Is anyone else really excited about this experiment? I may be an absolute geek but i think about it every day, bounce up and down when i really start thinking about it. Come on CERN, flick the damn switch and start finding things!

We as humans are the only ones to assign feelings to inanimate objects.
Those people need a social psych class or two.

This is why you dont drop outta school kids, you end up protesting the mistreatment of dental floss.

reply to post by Cyberbian


But the universe is CONSTANTLY destroying itself. Black holes, nuclear fusion within stars, matter/anti-matter, the list goes on.. And if the big-bang was really initiated by a massive explosion, the death of matter is what created this universe to begin with.

But the idea that a black hole will envelop the earth is also pretty ridiculous. A micro-black hole only lasts a fraction of a second. This is due to many factors but, most importantly, Hawking radiation. And it will not have the power to do anything other than exist for a fraction of a second and disappear while having nearly no influence on surrounding matter.

In other words it will disappear as soon as it was created. But even if a micro black hole were created by the LHC, it could give us direct scientific evidence of other dimensions, as well as show us their shape. This is an immensely important scientific undertaking that could even give us a new understanding of how the universe began.

-ChriS

[edit on 8-8-2008 by BlasteR]

I don't believe they are serious. Here is a quote that should explain why.

"Aumiller responded, "That's what they said about the other group I founded, Mothers Against unDead Drivers, which warns people of driving while a zombie, but they'll see.""

Originally posted by Lethil
How sure are you that he black holes created will evaporate quickly?

I guess not that sure,you are idiotic with your sarcasm my friend,its not that good....infact its the worst ive seen on ATS..

How sure are you that any black holes will be created at all?

The people running CERN are saying that if that were really an issue, cosmic rays would have created the same type of black holes here on earth long ago.

I know they both start with the same letter "s", but science and sarcasm are hardly the same thing.

Hey, but even if they do manage to create a planet-eating black hole, I'm guessing they won't do that until, say, December 2012.

Originally posted by Memysabu
We as humans are the only ones to assign feelings to inanimate objects.

How do you know that?

Originally posted by BlasteR
But the universe is CONSTANTLY destroying itself. Black holes, nuclear fusion within stars, matter/anti-matter, the list goes on.. And if the big-bang was really initiated by a massive explosion, the death of matter is what created this universe to begin with.

I see.. so your argument is we shouldn't worry about saving the Hadrons because there is death and destruction all over the universe...

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by BlasteR
But the universe is CONSTANTLY destroying itself. Black holes, nuclear fusion within stars, matter/anti-matter, the list goes on.. And if the big-bang was really initiated by a massive explosion, the death of matter is what created this universe to begin with.

I see.. so your argument is we shouldn't worry about saving the Hadrons because there is death and destruction all over the universe...

My argument is that the destruction of matter is a natural process since it occurs naturally on a daily basis. You don't really have to look further than the interior of the sun.

And why would destroying a few molecules in the name of groundbreaking science make that much of a difference? You can probably imagine the vast number of molecules being destroyed right now inside the Sun due to constant nuclear detonations. The entire idea of stars dying is because they run out of nuclear "fuel". Black holes form because the nuclear detonations within massive stars can no longer counter-act the gravity created by the stars mass, therefore the star collapses onto itself under it's own gravity. A red giant becomes a red giant because the nuclear fuel is nearly depleted. This will be the fate of our sun someday. I can explain the process in a little more detail if you would like, but I think you get the idea.

To think that destroying molecules somehow negatively impacts the universe is simply mind-numbingly absurd. If people are really that worried about molecules, why aren't people protesting the sun? Or the entire universe for that matter since stars are seemingly endless in number? To think that we are somehow going to effect some kind of grand balance of the universe is ridiculous.

Any microscopic black hole that is created as a result of LHC is not going to do much of anything except instantly disappear. WHY do people think that this device is somehow going to open up pandora's box? I think it is largely because of the scale of the site and the massive size of the equipment. It freaks people out. But this is an opportunity for the human race to discover all kinds of things we have always theorized, thought, and dreamed about but never thought we could ever discover. This device could eventually be responsible for some of the most mind-bending scientific discoveries in human history. And if we are ever going to learn anything about the universe around us, we can't just throw in the towel because of the destruction of a few molecules.

Scientists are saying we could find out more about the first moments of the big bang on a smaller scale. And why is that a bad thing? I'm almost thinking this is some kind of fear-mongering effort by religious people and organisations because they are in fear that we may actually find scientific evidence of the big bang instead of "god created the heavens and the earth". That's also something to ponder.

-ChriS

[edit on 9-8-2008 by BlasteR]

Originally posted by BlasteR
And why would destroying a few molecules in the name of groundbreaking science make that much of a difference?

Well that ground breaking science say you cannot destroy matter only convert it

But its the 'ground breaking' people are worried about

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by BlasteR
And why would destroying a few molecules in the name of groundbreaking science make that much of a difference?

Well that ground breaking science say you cannot destroy matter only convert it

But its the 'ground breaking' people are worried about

This same kind of public concern for groundbreaking science is well documented throughout history. One great example is the trinity atomic test. Some people thought that the trinity atomic test would cause some kind of massive chain reaction and destroy the entire planet. It didn't happen. Of coarse we would all be alot better off if atomic weapons were never discovered because we wouldn't have to worry about some dictator initiating an all out nuclear holocaust. But the concept still applies.

There are countless other similar examples throughout history, involving nature itself rather than science, which caused people to believe we were all gonna die. Comets and eclipses are a couple. Which isn't to say that a comet couldn't create a mass extinction event. But, as you probably well know, comets didn't just scare people because they feared it would hit the earth.

The point is that the doomsday scenario has always been theorized and/or feared but it has never come true. That isn't to say that it couldn't happen tomorrow for whatever reason. But, IMO, the LHC is the least of our worries right now (If you choose to even call it that). The media has hyped this story to no end because the entire premise behind this hypothetical doomsday scenario gets people's attention and makes a great news story. If you notice, other massive scientific undertakings similar to the LHC have gotten nearly NO media attention. For example, people aren't exactly biting their fingernails over what's gonna happen with the NIF laser in Livermore, California.

Projects like this, for example..
lasers.llnl.gov...

discovermagazine.com...

And I doubt they've had a mass of protestors to worry about like they have in Geneva, Switzerland right now.

-ChriS

[edit on 9-8-2008 by BlasteR]

Originally posted by BlasteR
And I doubt they've had a mass of protestors to worry about like they have in Geneva, Switzerland right now.

Well then maybe we can organize one.. Kick down some gates... create a diversion while I sneak away and get some photos

You know you are far to serious for this thread... However thanks for the link... that one wasn't on my list yet...

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No problem

-ChriS

Had to stop laughing long enough to type this. I think some people are refering to the concept that by observation you destroy or influence the experiment, and have taken this physical curiousity to the extreme by personalizing atomic particles. What a freaking joke.

Also I read up on CERN'S Hadron super collider on the borders of france and swiss boarders, I think it is doubful anything will happen when they fire it up, even though peeking in Gods little black book of secrets is a not the best idea, and performing a science test based soley on theory risking that something could happen is even a worse idea, I guess they must know what they are doing if it were a real threat I am sure our goverment and others around the world would put a stop to it.


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OK So the LHC is about to be turned on.
Enough of the doom and gloom for the fate of the world.
Let us all take a moment and spare a thought for these little defensless hadrons.
One minute silence please....







Thank you

Originally posted by jackinthebox
Actually, subatomic particles are indeed conscious. They know when they are being observed by humans. So what really are the implications here?

Yes but I had a subatomic particle over for dinner the other night and they are very boring so who cares.

Seriously though, wtf are you talking about? Are you seriously suggesting that subatomic particles can think?