Atlantis is Cuba and the Americas?

Archaeologists have countered that the remains of civilization in the region only go back 7,000 years—or perhaps even less. They have asserted that if a major civilization existed in the area, some of its remains would be found on current land. That assertion has a fundamental flaw. Ancient maritime civilizations typically built their cities and ports on the ocean shores.

and they built towns and villages in the hinderland too. Along with farms and before farms hunting sites. They also used mined the resources.

So IvanZana how does a civilization live on a strip of land and not touch the interior - where do they get wood for ships?

As I do for all good Atlantean believers I'll make one suggestion - stop talking about it and go find it.

Good idea huh?

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Exactly, where is the evidence for all the other endeavors that an advanced maritime culture would have going on.

The best argument for the carribean to not be the home of Atlantis, is that , Where's the metals?.
If there was a civilization as advanced as atlantis was supposed to be, where are the mines, the smithies and foundries.
Other than the use of the naturaly occuring gold, and in a very few areas copper, the native americans had very little metal working knowledge.
Where's the copper mines for the bronze? It is possible that the mines woked by laterw peoples could be it, but the evidence does not support such an idea.
Atlantis WAS the Minoans and Thera was the capitol.
The city even fits the description given by Eygyptians, from whom Plato got his story.
The egyptians had a trade relationship with the minoans and held their metal working craftsmenship in very high regard.
The pharoa's even sent gifts to the rulers of Minoa in ecognityion of thier power.
There is an archeologist who has found evidence suggesting that the minoan craftsmen, were the ones who fashioned the Ark Of The Covenant.





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double post





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The pyramids and super ancient structures found in Peru, and the Middle Americas continue to baffle experts on the orgin, reason and methods of construction.

Hans: There are no super ancient structures and the experts aren’t baffled at all, origin is well understood, reason is a bit hazy but centers around religion, civic pride and tombs and the method of construction is understood very well.

I know for a fact the ancients had way larger ocean going ships. The odds of accidently floating across the atlantic in 10,000 years is good.

Hans: Drinking what? Most coastal craft spent the night on shore. 10,000 years ago there are no records or evidence of sea going vessels other than canoes, rafts and skin boats. You have to wait 8-9000 years before ocean going vessels began to move about. Think about anchors – in the Med and Persian Gulf the seabed is littered with lost stone anchors – nothing in the Carrie.

Do you think the flat earth disinfo, stories of sea creatures and the reality pirates were all created to ensure no one will travel to and from the Americas? if so, by whom, tha Vatican?

Hans: That concept (flat earth) was common with the first civilizations and is repeated in many cultures – as are sea monsters. Sorry no I don’t think there was a conspiracy to stop oceanic traffic. We know the Polynesian got to South America and of course the native American got there too along with the Norse.

The rest of your comments are designed to setup a situation where you try and explain away why nothing exists, no physical evidence can be found. Applying Occam’s razor determines a much easier solution – the reason you don’t find anything is that there may not be anything to find. Please note that animal and pollen remains are found in abundance from your proposed time frame – and when man shows up, he is detected. There is no evidence of a pre-native American culture. So how did the Atlanteans get washed away but animal and pollen samples remain?

May I suggest you read up on Cuban and Caribe upper and middle paleolithic studies of pollen, animal, sea and insect life.

You might find this interesting

Study

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Atlantis is now called Antarctica. It was once a solid land mass but is now divided in two (covered by miles of ice to make it look like one again). Possibly it is not in the same location because of crustal slip ( a well known phenomenon), but it's more likely that the descriptions of the location is either misconstrued or misunderstood. Since most of our knowledge stems from Plato who also basically copied old texts, I'm pretty sure something is amiss. And just look at the href="http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_1.htm" He copied that from "ancient maps", ancient in his day! That right there just goes to show you how much knowledge was lost due to time and most notably.... FEAR! But that's another story.

Atlantis is now called Antarctica. It was once a solid land mass but is now divided in two (covered by miles of ice to make it look like one again). Possibly it is not in the same location because of crustal slip ( a well known phenomenon), but it's more likely that the descriptions of the location is either misconstrued or misunderstood. Since most of our knowledge stems from Plato who also basically copied old texts, I'm pretty sure something is amiss. And just look at the Piri Reis Map He copied that from "ancient maps", ancient in his day! That right there just goes to show you how much knowledge was lost due to time and most notably.... FEAR! But that's another story.

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UHHHHH What?



Antartica has been covered in ice since before man walked the earth, 15 million years it has been under ice, with the present ice cap configuration having been in place for 6 million years.

And it not split in two, it is the largest and driest and windiest and coldest and highest continent.


Crustal slip?????



Thats some of the funniest s there is.

And just how does this "crustal slip" occur and if its so well know how come there is no evidence of it.

If such a thing did happen the seismic energies generated would have knocked down any thing standing, including some very old and delicate structures in many deserts around the world.

And Plato retold an egyptian story, there were no maps, just the description of the island. And it was clearly described as an island and not an overly large one either.

What Plato describes is infact the distant memory of the Minoan Empire.

The idea of Atlantis being a super technological civilization is a vague one i agree. I am not leaning towards that etiher. The Idea is that there is ample proof that the eastern 'old world' had knwledge of the world not only being round but having an opposite continent.

There are hundreds of pyramids in the Americas. Some of the most mysterious walls and methods of building have been discovered in south america.

The point of this thread is to entertain the idea that the myths of Atlantis could just be a over disinfomationalized version of the "pre-columbus' world. The Americas have a rich history dating 10,000's of years.

Asfar as the Idea of not finding metals everywhere under the ocean and or proof of massive super cities exsiting prior to 9000 b.c is going to be scarce regardless if it exsited due to errosion and especially after the destruction they speak of.

The stories do reveal that the last catacalysm wiped the area clear with a super mega-tsunami. It is quite possible it totaled the area and made unreconizable, and remember it was over 8000 years ago (est)

When the ice caps melted, the water runoff headed down south from the ice sheet throught the mississipi into the gulf of mexico. The swell of water seems to have broke over the bay of mexico and over florida, cuba and the whole area in question washing away any evidence left from the original catacalysm.

Here is a pic showing the cuba/Florida area with measurements over the submerged land to give you and idea about how much land was and still is lost. Most of the Submerged land was proven to be above ground before 10,000 bc.


Again I will add that the information presented in this thread is not all factual and is based oral histories, vague rememberances, stories and vague history of a 'mythical' empire that could just very well be a over sensationalized story of the America's pre columbus History.

The pyramids and super ancient structures found in Peru, and the Middle Americas continue to baffle experts on the orgin, reason and methods of construction.

Would it not be prudent to say that if these people of the ancient americas had the abilities to create such prescise astromical perdictions, building, megaliths and cities that they also had the ability to build a large boat capable of traversing the atlantic and pacific?


It has been proven that it is possible to travese the atlantic and pacific in a small craft.

PROLOGUE

In 1979, Gerry Spiess sailed Yankee Girl solo across the North Atlantic Ocean to set a world's record for the smallest boat crossing, west to east. It took him 54 days to sail 3,800 miles from Virginia Beach, Virginia to Falmouth, England. It was a remarkable voyage, by any standards, for a plywood boat he had built in his garage in White Bear Lake, MN.

www.h2onotes.com...
I know for a fact the ancients had way larger ocean going ships. The odds of accidently floating across the atlantic in 10,000 years is good.

Do you think the flat earth disinfo, stories of sea creatures and the reality pirates were all created to ensure no one will travel to and from the Americas? if so, by whom, tha Vatican?

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Originally posted by punkinworks
reply to post by Anonymous ATS

 

UHHHHH What?



Antartica has been covered in ice since before man walked the earth, 15 million years it has been under ice, with the present ice cap configuration having been in place for 6 million years.

And it not split in two, it is the largest and driest and windiest and coldest and highest continent.


Crustal slip?????

Thats some of the funniest s there is.

And just how does this "crustal slip" occur and if its so well know how come there is no evidence of it.

If such a thing did happen the seismic energies generated would have knocked down any thing standing, including some very old and delicate structures in many deserts around the world.

And Plato retold an egyptian story, there were no maps, just the description of the island. And it was clearly described as an island and not an overly large one either.

What Plato describes is infact the distant memory of the Minoan Empire.

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Survivors of Atlantis part 2
from the book (true-story, non-fiction),
"the Children of the Law of One & the Lost Teachings of Atlantis"


...Cultures the world over, who don’t have a specific legend of Atlantis, still have stories of a great flood that destroyed most life, (which happen to be very similar to the story of the sinking, and flooding of Atlantis). Descriptions of the destruction of Atlantis, say it involved great earthquakes and volcanic upheavals, and the actual sinking of the entire land mass. So perhaps some legends of a great flood could have come from secondary flooding, that resulted from unimaginably gigantic tsunami waves generated by an event that was the greatest geological disaster in history (like the one most scientists say caused the extinction of the dinosaurs). Such waves could have swept the globe, flooding many, if not most, parts of the world, and eruptions could have darkened the sky, and created other disastrous ecological consequences.

The various cultural stories of the “great flood” often tell a tale of refugees who managed to escape the great disaster. Some legends, like those of the Hopi tribe, describe the Hopi as such refugees. They depict the Hopi escaping the calamity, and coming to their new land on “Giant flying tortoise shells”. It is said that once they arrived, they were led to safety from an environment gone mad, by a bird headed “Kachina” who guided them to underground passages.

To the open mind who researches this subject, the evidence that Atlantis did indeed exist, is overwhelming. But if Atlantis, as Plato described it, was a highly advanced, sophisticated civilization, with technology that even surpasses that which we have now, shouldn’t there be some other remnant of their society? Not necessarily. But just perhaps...

According to the legends, Atlantis was so thoroughly destroyed by natural catastrophe, that there was nothing left. Yet, couldn’t there have been some Atlanteans with enough foresight to leave beforehand, and escape the disaster? Or some that were traveling in other parts of the world at the time? It seems quite possible that, given the stories of how advanced and sophisticated a civilization it was, that at least some traders or travelers were elsewhere in the world at the time. Some theories say the mythological inhabitants of Mt. Olympus, the gods of Greek and Roman mythology, were actually survivors of Atlantis.

www.atlantis.to...


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Originally posted by punkinworks
reply to post by Anonymous ATS

 

UHHHHH What?



Antartica has been covered in ice since before man walked the earth, 15 million years it has been under ice, with the present ice cap configuration having been in place for 6 million years.

And it not split in two, it is the largest and driest and windiest and coldest and highest continent.


Crustal slip?????

Thats some of the funniest s there is.

And just how does this "crustal slip" occur and if its so well know how come there is no evidence of it.

If such a thing did happen the seismic energies generated would have knocked down any thing standing, including some very old and delicate structures in many deserts around the world.

And Plato retold an egyptian story, there were no maps, just the description of the island. And it was clearly described as an island and not an overly large one either.

What Plato describes is infact the distant memory of the Minoan Empire.

Well you obviously don't read more than what you're told.

If Antarctica had been covered since BEFORE man walked on earth, then there wouldn't be any evidence of it, yet there is. ( the Piri Reis map for example), and yes there is plenty of evidence of crustal slip, all you have to do is look on any search engine and you'll find lots of reports,Crustal Displacement, as I said before, this is a well known phenomenon in the science field. It's quite possible seismic energy DID knock down structures, how would anyone know? Especially since modern science only goes back so far for lack of physical evidence. Your arguments on this and Plato are too weak to respoond. Actually it supports my Plato section! But Plato isn't the only source of information for the entire world.

Now if you're trying to make sense of things according to the Bible, you're going to be lost.... the world is older than 6k years.

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Thousands upon thousands of ice cores taken fron antartica PROVE that it has been covered in ice for millions of years.
And how exactly does the Piri Reis map provide any proof that atlantis is under the antartic, all it really proves it that at some point between 1530ad and some uspecified earlier time that someone may have sailed around the great southern continent. Which I am sure that someone at some point sailed around a portion of it.

And the Piri Reis map's supposed representation of Antartica is highly debatable. It was common practice in the period to "insert"
a southern land mass into a map to "balance" the known land masses.


Now as far as crustal slip, its POPPYCOCK.
First, if the earth wore its crust like a loose skin, as was described by the crustal slip web site, that allowed the crust to move around. Then all the land masses would remain in the same place relative to each other.
If they were able to move around independant of each other then there would have to be giant rifts and mountains that just sprung into existance over night.

The structures I am talking about are the fantastic naturally created structures that can be found all over the planet. Structures that have taken millions of years to form.
Like the sandstone spires of the american south west, or the stalactites and stalagmites in the caves of the world.

monument valley

These sandstone spires have been standing for millions of years.
They will fall down with a moderate earthquake
If am entire continent was to suddenly move many thousands of miles as is maintained by crstal slip proponents, the accelerations would flatten those things in an instant.
Some people seem to continue to confuse a flip of the earths magnetic field polarity, with an actual movement of the earths crust or change in its rotational axis.
The earths magnetic field changes polarity on a fairly regular basis, regular on a geologic time frame (20 million years), and is currently in the process of flipping, there are places in the south atlantic and indian ocean where the local polarity has already flipped.
The mechanism for the flip has a mechanical cause but the actual flip is purely electromagnetic in nature.
Plato related an egyptian story that is based in fact and has a historical context.

Originally posted by punkinworks
reply to post by Enidarrah

 

Thousands upon thousands of ice cores taken fron antartica PROVE that it has been covered in ice for millions of years.
And how exactly does the Piri Reis map provide any proof that atlantis is under the antartic, all it really proves it that at some point between 1530ad and some uspecified earlier time that someone may have sailed around the great southern continent. Which I am sure that someone at some point sailed around a portion of it.

And the Piri Reis map's supposed representation of Antartica is highly debatable. It was common practice in the period to "insert"
a southern land mass into a map to "balance" the known land masses.


Now as far as crustal slip, its POPPYCOCK.
First, if the earth wore its crust like a loose skin, as was described by the crustal slip web site, that allowed the crust to move around. Then all the land masses would remain in the same place relative to each other.
If they were able to move around independant of each other then there would have to be giant rifts and mountains that just sprung into existance over night.

The structures I am talking about are the fantastic naturally created structures that can be found all over the planet. Structures that have taken millions of years to form.
Like the sandstone spires of the american south west, or the stalactites and stalagmites in the caves of the world.

monument valley

These sandstone spires have been standing for millions of years.
They will fall down with a moderate earthquake
If am entire continent was to suddenly move many thousands of miles as is maintained by crstal slip proponents, the accelerations would flatten those things in an instant.
Some people seem to continue to confuse a flip of the earths magnetic field polarity, with an actual movement of the earths crust or change in its rotational axis.
The earths magnetic field changes polarity on a fairly regular basis, regular on a geologic time frame (20 million years), and is currently in the process of flipping, there are places in the south atlantic and indian ocean where the local polarity has already flipped.
The mechanism for the flip has a mechanical cause but the actual flip is purely electromagnetic in nature.
Plato related an egyptian story that is based in fact and has a historical context.

Hrmm, ill give this a shot.

First, please cite your sources, as i would like to read them.

The Piri Reis map is a compilation of many other older maps, as stated in the website Enidarrah cited. It does not prove that atlantis is under the antartic, it just proves that the ice has not been there for millions of years.

In fact Piri Reis himself admitted he based his map on way older charts; and those older charts had been used as sources by others who have drawn different maps still of great precision.

world-mysteries.com...

Piri Reis had access to the Great Alexandrian library before it burned down. That place had thousands of historical maps, scrolls, books, that were burned down.

The continents are on there own little tectonic plates that move around. Those mountains have been created from tectonic plates coliding with eachother. This is how the continents seperated from Pangea. This is also called continental drift.

en.wikipedia.org...

Although there are seperate tectonic plates, the whole crust can move as one.

www.livescience.com...


In 4000bc, those sand spires wouldve been much thicker, able to resist a huge earthquake. Besides, the crustal slip has been theorized to have happened about 12,000 years ago. the crust has been recovering sence then.
www.crystalinks.com...
This wouldve left ice off of the antartic for several thousand years.

Charles Hapggod, in 1953, wrote a book called "Earth's shifting crust: a key to some basic problems of earth science", where he made up a theory to explain how Antarctic had been ice-free until year 4000 BC. (visit the Bibliography ) The theory summing up is as follows: The reason Antarctic was ice-free, and therefor much warmer, it is to be found in the fact that, at one time, its location wasn't the south pole. It was located approximately 2000 miles further north. Hapgood says this "would have put it outside the Antarctic Circle in a temperate or cold temperate climate".

world-mysteries.com...

Pole shifting has not been related to Crustal Shifting as far as im concerned.
Those two are different things.

Howdy Shiman




This shows the Piri Reis map applied over a globe. Note the red lines and note where the Antarctic is.

Piri Reis had access to the Great Alexandrian library before it burned down. That place had thousands of historical maps, scrolls, books, that were burned down.

Hans: Piri Reis lived the fifteen century, he had no access to the Alexandrian Library. Crustal slippage is a theory with no factual basis, tectonic plate movement and pole shifts ARE possible and do occur(ing).

The map itself lists it sources on the margin. The misrepresented (misoriented) piece of South America that Hapgood wildly thought was the Antarctic doesn’t exist – you can compare the map which is fairly accurate for Europe and you’ll find that the line representing the Antie is off by quite abit.

Originally posted by punkinworks
reply to post by Enidarrah

 

And how exactly does the Piri Reis map provide any proof that atlantis is under the antartic,...

And the Piri Reis map's supposed representation of Antartica is highly debatable. It was common practice in the period to "insert"
a southern land mass into a map to "balance" the known land masses.


Now as far as crustal slip, its POPPYCOCK.
First, if the earth wore its crust like a loose skin, as was described by the crustal slip web site, that allowed the crust to move around. Then all the land masses would remain in the same place relative to each other.
If they were able to move around independant of each other then there would have to be giant rifts and mountains that just sprung into existance over night.

The structures I am talking about are the fantastic naturally created structures that can be found all over the planet.
Like the sandstone spires of the american south west, or the stalactites and stalagmites in the caves of the world.

monument valley

These sandstone spires have been standing for millions of years.
They will fall down with a moderate earthquake
If am entire continent was to suddenly move many thousands of miles as is maintained by crstal slip proponents, the accelerations would flatten those things in an instant.
Some people seem to continue to confuse a flip of the earths magnetic field polarity, with an actual movement of the earths crust or change in its rotational axis.
The earths magnetic field changes polarity on a fairly regular basis, regular on a geologic time frame (20 million years), and is currently in the process of flipping, there are places in the south atlantic and indian ocean where the local polarity has already flipped.
Plato related an egyptian story that is based in fact and has a historical context.

You sure like to interject what you think I'm trying to say into what I'm actually saying, for instance.... I never said the Piri Reis map was "Proof" of Antarctica being Atlantis, I simply provide this as evidence to my case. You also seem to think I'm basing my entire argument on Crustal Slip, I'm not as you can clearly see in my original post, but for the learned, we know it's not "poppycock", and the animals found trapped in sibeberian ice with tropical plants in their gullets now this as well. During crustal slip there is always 2 points that do not move but spin in place.

"And the Piri Reis map's supposed representation of Antartica is highly debatable. It was common practice in the period to "insert"
a southern land mass into a map to "balance" the known land masses."

This quote juat proves what I said about you reading.....here's the article I posted earlier so you can read and research...Piri Reis Map
There are other maps, research them!
"After a long study, Mallery discovered the projection method used. To check out the accuracy of the map, he made a grid and transferred the Piri Reis map onto a globe: the map was totally accurate. He stated that the only way to draw map of such accuracy was the aerial surveying: but who, 6000 years ago, could have used airplanes to map the earth??

The Hydrographic Office couldn't believe what they saw: they were even able to correct some errors in the present days maps!!"

This is not the only source for this information. There's also the possibility of crustal slip happening over several days or weeks, instead of instantly. Don't be some simplistic.

Crustal slip and tectonic shifting are two different theories...... as well as crustal slip and pole shifting, so you have no argument there.

So in closing, be open minded. To the rest of the world, you don't exist until you prove you do!

A point to ponder

Question

Why have so many Atlantis theories taken up the idea that Atlantis is either in a different dimenion or on another planet?

Answer

The utter lack of evidence for a physical Atlantis on this planet. Ignatius Donnelly could state that so much was unknown and unexplored....that isn't the case now.

Let look at Cuba

Paleotology shows a full range of animal there until around 8,000 BP, then human show up and species start to disappear, this greatly speeded up once the Spainards arrived. No sign of the Atlanteans.

Pollen cores - show adaptation to the weather and ice ages for tens of thousand of year then, yes, a spike and change, what caused the change- the Spaniards showing up - no sign of Atlantis.

Agriculture - so where are the great domesticated plants - the basis of civilizating able to feed itself?

Yep the great disaster JUST killed the cities and technology, down to the pottery shards but left all the animals and didn't disturb the pollen going into a pond............ tell us more, LOL

Originally posted by Hanslune
Howdy Shiman




This shows the Piri Reis map applied over a globe. Note the red lines and note where the Antarctic is.

Piri Reis had access to the Great Alexandrian library before it burned down. That place had thousands of historical maps, scrolls, books, that were burned down.

Hans: Piri Reis lived the fifteen century, he had no access to the Alexandrian Library. Crustal slippage is a theory with no factual basis, tectonic plate movement and pole shifts ARE possible and do occur(ing).

The map itself lists it sources on the margin. The misrepresented (misoriented) piece of South America that Hapgood wildly thought was the Antarctic doesn’t exist – you can compare the map which is fairly accurate for Europe and you’ll find that the line representing the Antie is off by quite abit.

Piri Reis didn't not have access to the Alexandrian Library but he did have resources of much older documents which he copied from and claimed were from the time of Alexander the Great. And in your example the "center" is a modern day center. If you look and this particular examplePiri Reis Map it shows the "center" being in Cairo and correlating perfectly with the Antarctic section.

Sorry E but no

I strongly recommend you read, The Piri Reis Map of 1513 by Gregory C. McIntosh.ISBN 0-8203-2157-5

Mallery is dead wrong

If you will look at the map (the real world) you'll note a large channel between Antie and SA. The Piri Reis map doesn't show this. The ocean in some parts is two miles deep.

One has to take information from believer sites with a very very large grain of salt. They tend to make stuff up.

Read the book and you'll know all. Admiral Reis listed his sources and doesn't mention the Library of Alexandria - remember people commented on the materials in the Library for several hundred years, no mention of extra continents or extraordinary maps were made.

Originally posted by Hanslune
A point to ponder

Question

Why have so many Atlantis theories taken up the idea that Atlantis is either in a different dimenion or on another planet?

I never heard that Atlantis is on another planet. This shows your age and love for childrens movies. Just a stupid idea.





Hansulame

Paleotology shows a full range of animal there until around 8,000 BP, then human show up and species start to disappear, this greatly speeded up once the Spainards arrived. No sign of the Atlanteans.

Your version of what you think Atlanteans are as a super race with flying saucers and glass domes is the same thought a child would have. Where do you get these stupid ideas from han? This isnt a saturday morning cartoon thread. Not once has anyone in this thread posed any information as 100 percent fact. This thread is to entertain the ideas and theories of Atlantis being in Cuba and not a thread to fill yourego with poorly sourced opinions from the University of Google.

Hansulane

Pollen cores - show adaptation to the weather and ice ages for tens of thousand of year then, yes, a spike and change, what caused the change- the Spaniards showing up - no sign of Atlantis.

Once again you are sharing your belief of Atlantis as a child remembers it. With a glass dome and jetson type setting. lol

Atlantis is most likely a over sensationalized story of the pre-columbus world. The name given to a lost continent is more thatn likely NOT shared with the residents of that land. So yes there were people where atlantis once stood if atlantis is Cuba. Regardless of your lack of understanding, the Americas were there before columbus .


You seem to want Share your beliefs that the americas were full of savages before columbus showed up which is not true. There are more pyramids in mexico than egypt.


You should really read the thread and all the information sourced here. It is obvious you know very little of real native american history. I dont blame your ignorance. Its a popular fad these days.

HAN

Yep the great disaster JUST killed the cities and technology, down to the pottery shards but left all the animals and didn't disturb the pollen going into a pond............ tell us more, LOL

Animals and pollen arent pottery that sits on a table. Animals migrate, reproduce and so do trees. Birds fly so therefore they need not drown. In grade 2, we learned that animals and winds can carry pollon and seeds and that after a tsunami or flooding, plant life can return.

Han, your childish version of what you think Atlantis is or looked like is not really shared by anyone over the age of 11 and especially in this thread.

Mabey thats why you are having a hard time handling the information?







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I never heard that Atlantis is on another planet. This shows your age and love for childrens movies. Just a stupid idea.

Hans: Then it would seem you don’t know the subject very well. It's a common new age belief.

www.gateworld.net...

Ever hear of Frank Alper?

Ever hear of Alan Alford?

Your version of what you think Atlanteans are as a super race with flying saucers and glass domes is the same thought a child would have.

Hans: Nope, you just made that up, you have posted a number of sources that support the Atlanteans having cities. Please cite where I said that - oh wait you just made that up, LOL

Where do you get these stupid ideas from han? This isnt a saturday morning cartoon thread.

Hans: No it isn’t but some of your materials read like it – now doesn’t it? Seriously have you read some of those ridiculous links?

Not once has anyone in this thread posed any information as 100 percent fact.

Hans: No one? - I have, I've been countering your "material" with facts, 100%. Oh could you list those items which are 100% then catagorize them by grading them in levels of 5%? I'd love to see how you'd grade them!

This thread is to entertain the ideas and theories of Atlantis being in Cuba and not a thread to fill yourego with poorly sourced opinions from the University of Google.

Hans: Yes you do seem to have a poor grasp of the known facts – if you like I can list all your errors – but really I’m more interested in showing people REAL information. Not that your made up stuff is incorrect.

Once again you are sharing your belief of Atlantis as a child remembers it. With a glass dome and jetson type setting. lol

Hans: No again you’re just making up stuff to try and hide your researching incompetence. Seriously why don't you just deal with the facts and stop trying to insult your way out? It isn't going to work ya know!

Atlantis is most likely a over sensationalized story of the pre-columbus world. The name given to a lost continent is more thatn likely NOT shared with the residents of that land. So yes there were people where atlantis once stood if atlantis is Cuba. Regardless of your lack of understanding, the Americas were there before columbus.

Hans: Again you make up stuff instead of addressing the factual information: All the material I have posted shows, rather clearly, that there were no humans, Atlanteans or native Americans in Cuba before 8000 BP. Can you refute that data? Please do so.

You seem to want Share your beliefs that the americas were full of savages before columbus showed up which is not true. There are more pyramids in mexico than egypt.

Hans: Nope that is just you making up stuff again, you seem to be unable to understand what a discussion is. Instead of discussing the material you are saying, 2 + 2 = 5, while I’m saying 2 + 2 = 4 then your response is to say I’m stating that 2 + 2 =3. Its rather sad that your response to evidence is just making up wild irrational stuff – funny thou, but sad.

You should really read the thread and all the information sourced here. It is obvious you know very little of real native american history. I dont blame your ignorance. Its a popular fad these days.

Hans: Your ignorance of facts is well demonstrated – so I say there are Mayan books – you say they were all destroyed. You think a novel is a book of history – yep, you got something there my friend. LOL

Animals and pollen arent pottery that sits on a table. Animals migrate, reproduce and so do trees. Birds fly so therefore they need not drown. In grade 2, we learned that animals and winds can carry pollon and seeds and that after a tsunami or flooding, plant life can return.

Hans: So how did they survive and all the Atlantean materials were wiped away? Where is all the Atlantean culture material?

Han, your childish version of what you think Atlantis is or looked like is not really shared by anyone over the age of 11 and especially in this thread.

Hans: Unfortunately Ivanzana, virtually everything you said I believed in is all stuff YOU made up. You seem to have a very vague grip on reality. I recommend you take a deep breath and try to understand the facts.

God you are funny......wait a minute are you just acting this way to wind me up, you're not real are you? Who is this, really?

LOL