U.S. Plans to Kill Pirate Bay, Monitor ISPs With Multinational ACTA Proposal

why with all the rampant drug trafficking and supposed terrorists threats
is the goverment bending ass overbackwards to protect corporate profits by going after teens and young adults for bootlegging stuff oh i forgot the goverment is a bunch of corporate hoes

Originally posted by groingrinder
reply to post by ALLis0NE

 

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IF MUSIC WAS TRULY FREE, THERE WOULD BE NO PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS.

i always take issue with this kind of thinking... there will always be musicians, granted your statement of PRO musicians varies a little since it implies getting paid for making music. but the thinking is somewhat in line with the argument i always hear when this comes up.

there will always be kids in a garage, a guy on the street with a guitar and people playing music. any of these threats from governments will never slow that down, only slow down the means in which we can get said music.

this fight has gone on too long for the powers that be to not start looking in another direction other than criminalizing those who do it.

Stealing is stealing.

Thieves are thieves.

Making excuses does not change those facts. There is no literal difference between stealing copyrighted material and stealing a car.

Thieves are also cry-babies it seems. Whaaaaaaaaaa, they won't let me steal, boo-hoo

I've had my copyrighted work stolen a couple of times. Only real (I'm not allowed to post that word here) steal from others. The lowest of lifeforms.

Somebody should slap their parents for not using contraception.

Piratebay killer? I wouldn't be so sure... because:

1. Torrents does not contain any content but merely URLs to the content itself, In Sweden, this makes hosting torrents legal.

2. You americans can pass whatever bills you want, because unfortunately for you, the Pirate bay server(s) is not located in USA.

3. You've already tried... and failed. The server hosting company have been raided by the police after pressure from the US, but seeing as there was nothing (by Swedish law) illegal going on they got their servers back and are now as far as I know in the clear.

Conclusion: You can do whatever you want over there but it's not going to kill Piratebay. The change has to happen here, in Sweden, if you ever want to see Piratebay get shut down. They have even said so themselves, that if the law changes they WILL shut the site down.

If the US would like shut it down their best option would be to censor it, atleast for the the time being.

EDIT: and no, I DON'T support piracy, but I DON'T want the US thinking they can control the world, cause they can't.

[edit on 12-6-2008 by Drapan]

i recorded a bunch of vinyl to CD(manually chopping half hour audiofiles into seperate songs).
yet, the CDDB managed to recognise (!!!) the files, and gave me all the titles.
i bought those records, and i'm allowed to make as many copies as i like as safety copies.
i am also allowed to lend my stuff to other people. any of my stuff. it's my damnd stuff, and i'll damn well do what i please with it.
that's why copyright laws are useless for controlling the people's distribution of content amongst themselves.

but, as many said, the industry isn't 'losing money' because of downloading. they are losing it to the competition for the entertainment dollar. people can't buy every single CD, DVD, downloaded mp3, etc. that they fancy. people who download one hundred movies would never be able to buy them, so this 'lost money' is imaginary.
now, you need to budget hundreds of dollars a year just for the constantly shifting HARDWARE, and SOFTWARE, so there is very little budget left for content.
the content producers are constantly churning out new tech so they can sell you the same movie over and over, or the same audio recording. pure greed.

there is no stopping file sharing in a digital world. it is a complete waste of resource. it would be better for the record companies, and movie houses to find a new business model.

like, for example, the recent radiohead project where they let everyone download the new album, and then 'pay what you can'. buskers are 'professional musicians', too.
another real reason record companies are 'losing money' is because there a massive glut of recordings. people are buying a lot of content(with slices of their entertainment budget pie) from INDEPENDENT ARTISTS. and independent artist was a VERY rare thing in the 1970's, less rare in the eighties(bare naked ladies sold 50, 000 copies of a CASSETTE before they were signed), and now, anyone with a few hundred bucks can turn their computer into a recording studio.

almost every singer or band i know has their own album of recordings for sale as a CD, sometimes vinyl, sometimes a DVD. you're in a club with five other patrons, and someone is selling his original music off the stage. an artist that could only draw six patrons would probably never get a 'recording contract'. yet, if all six of us buy his CD, we've 'hurt the music industry' and the big labels 'lost money', because that's $120 that went straight from the producer to the end user, cutting out the middle man(record company). at least, that's what the record industries numbers would say. $120 dollars missing. must have been pirates.

i, for one, welcome the anarchy that technology has brought us. now, amazing talent isn't filtered through tiny nodes of decision makers in ivory towers. now, any joe with a good tune can distribute his art to a wider audience without some greaseball in a cadillac sucking up the lion's share.


this copyright fiasco is downright luddite. we can't live in the past.

1 by 1 The bot nets swarmed hoo ra , hoo ra

2 by 2 Their tech support flees hoo ra , hoo ra


3 by 3 They have to pee, from this squelching sound you see hoo ra hoo ra


4 by 4 They hear the internet's infrasonic roar hoo ra hoo ra


5 by 5 Their graphics buffers dive from over voltages sent to their cards hoo ra


6 by 6 They pick up sticks hoo ra hoo ra

7 by 7 The government learns that they are people just like us.. not some other all powerful life form to dictate nonsense.


GET THIS ONE - Bush wants to stop iran from enriching uranium .. now as oberman said and others any drunk coke head can find out how to do this not just bush.

Also in reality google has provided this info for some time.. so heres my point.


It's OK for GOOGLE TO PROVIDE INSTRUCTIONS FOR URANIUM ENRICHMENT but not OK FOR FOLKS TO SHARE TORRENTS OF MUSIC THEY POTENTIALLY OWN> AS WELL THEIR GOODS SHOULD BE SEIZED AND CHECKED AT AIRPORTS For copyright infringment.. ?????


This is the world we live in. More concerned if some exec doesent get his buck than if some terrorist blows us to hell..

The solution here is REAL simple for those of you who care. Stop buying any form of media, and then watch the companies fall apart. I still buy cds, just not as many useless ones, but WILL stop if I can't sample an album in it's entirety anymore. We all know how the math works on this one..me+you+him+her+whatever=a lot less income than a month ago. You just gotta remember that your money is their power.

Let them, then don't buy anything and stop using the internet.

I don't buy any music or moves now and wont in future I can do without, nay problemo. It is not like it is prime quality anyway.

They can also control the internet all they wish, I really with they would put all porn on .XXX then I can block it myself easier and also have it easier for ME to control what I choose. Let them, please add extra controls!

I personally support this idea of total control to the point they shoot themselves in the foot LOL.

Same for the patent system, it is not like I profit from it anyway. Let them patent themselves into a hole.

Please do!

I HATE COMPUTERS, I HATE TECHNOLOGY. Please do! All these limitations will make us more free, we can actually go outside more and ENJOY LIFE while they are stuck behind their screens all day all night in worry about what we (don't) do




[edit on 12-6-2008 by mOOmOO]

Just about the only way they can keep track of people downloading torrents is seeing how many UDP sessions they have open. Even then, it's not accurate, I just recently learned that Skype can open thousands of UDP sessions, just to talk on the phone. The average torrent will open 100 or less.

Then take into account that people who want to pirate, are going to pirate no matter what. For years my ISP has been sending "warning" letters out to people who pirate, I don't think that has stopped things or even slowed them down.

Obviously they have made it a little bit harder for the average person to download things illegally, but if you even have a slightly passing knowledge of how to operate a computer you can easily find just about anything you could want.

Originally posted by yellowcard


The problem is, the record labels aren't losing out as much as the bands. Think, a band has a label to promote their stuff, but the labels don't promote it (because of piracy), as a result ticket sales drop (this is where the bands make most of their money)

Have you been to any concerts lately? People downloading songs takes away from record sales but not concert sales, if people are downloading their songs they like the band and can't download a live concert. You would go see yellowcard if you had the spare cash and they were in town I presume. I recently saw the cure here in San Diego and Cox Arena was sold out, when is the last time you seen any promotions for The Cure? Not too long ago I saw Tool and they turned their one night trip into a 2 nighter selling out both nights.

Nah, this whole mess effects the producers first and foremost, sure the band will miss out on record cuts but they don't thrive on that like the producers do, they have options where as producers don't. This is just a way to cut out the money grubbing middle man, put out your music and the fans will pay to watch you and record sales will be perks only.

DVD sales are same thing and just like going to a concert people would rather go to the theater but when they are charging $12.00 a ticket and about $10.50 a gallon for soda when a real commodity like gasoline is less than half the price they are only reaping what they sow. If you give people the power to protect their interests which is not foolishly waisting money then they will use that power.



[edit on 12-6-2008 by Sheeper]

reply to post by Blaine91555


Your right, but who are they stealing from? Maybe it's your opinion they deserve to make as much as they want but I feel that corporations need to be controlled because they go way too far, infact I believe corporations have been slowly tearing this country apart and selling it off in chunks for private gain. So if the government won't put caps and limitations on what corporations can do then thank the heavens there is still away to stick it to them. Call it karma but they deserve it. And this isn't the worst that they should get, this aint ****, their prices should be capped to compensate the average U.S. salary and they should be arrested for outsourcing our economy.

What do I care what happens in US ?

Ah, I forgot, if they pass such a law, EU will copy it

What do I care what EU does ? I live in Romania. I forgot again, the EU constitution has passed without anybody asking me anything, so I must obey my new masters

The entire world is already ruled by a few people, NWO is here

[edit on 12-6-2008 by pai mei]

Originally posted by pai mei
What do I care what happens in US ?

Ah, I forgot, if they pass such a law, EU will copy it

What do I care what EU does ? I live in Romania. I forgot again, the EU constitution has passed without anybody asking me anything, so I must obey my new masters

The entire world is already ruled by a few people, NWO is here

[edit on 12-6-2008 by pai mei]

You can always grow your own food, make your own clothes. Nobody is forcing you to lube up.

They will be surprised to see that this will not help the sales in the movie and record industry one bit! Royalty free internet art forms and computer games has taken over. TV is even dying a slow death, times are changing and the companies of RIAA is scrambling to bully themselves to the last bit of money on their way down.Complaining and whining to the government to "do something" as a last resort.

Internet is where entertainment is at, and in many cases games are royalty free and free to play online and last for years. There is also an industry change where buying directly from the artist is becomming more available. The RIAA is simply getting the Darwin award, it's evolution, not needed. Good riddance.

reply to post by pai mei


You don't have to care what the U.S. does, I was speaking as an American for Americans, did I mention Pai Mei somewhere in my post? Besides what I said goes for any capatalist country where corporations are doing such things.

Originally posted by Sheeper
reply to post by pai mei

 

You don't have to care what the U.S. does, I was speaking as an American for Americans, did I mention Pai Mei somewhere in my post? Besides what I said goes for any capatalist country where corporations are doing such things.

No problem, you can speak as an American for Americans as long as you keep your fingers in America and stop poking your nose in our business and dragging us through your #.

Next.

reply to post by mOOmOO


Don't confuse me with the govt, my fingers touch me and myself only, so don't be such a jerk to me, what did I ever to do you and incase you people can't read, the Topic title is 'U.S. Plans to Kill Pirate Bay, Monitor ISPs With Multinational ACTA Proposal'. Thanks, Next!

[edit on 12-6-2008 by Sheeper]

True hackers built the internet, the net is the evolution of what started as DARPANET awhile ago... however people that pirate softwares mostly do it out of intellectual challenge however no matter how much money govenement put into trying to catch hackers the next they someone found a way around it... Sony had put millions into making a CD impossible to copy .. the day after its release it was owned by a guy with a black marker... i guess my point is that no matter what they do thats too big for them... and sadly once the net will be subject to too many laws everything will revert back to what it was in the past with the private BBS only now it'll be wlan based ... u can make wifi antenna with a can of pringle that can establish a good connection over 2 km soo... someone starting up a wifi lan that use participants as a node for those that are further and u end up with a bunch of private mini nets which will eventualy evolve in something bigger until then ... viva proxying and encryption

God bless linux and Linux Torvalds

technically they didn't provide the torrents but aren't they still providing a way to a torrent?

Do a google search for "Ironman torrent" and google can just as easily be used to do the same thing.

Making excuses does not change those facts. There is no literal difference between stealing copyrighted material and stealing a car.

So a car is the same as a series of numbers that in its own nature is to be replicated. Tell me, if I could replicate your car with a magic wand, would it be stealing if I did? Or if I wanted 2 xbox's and I had 1, and I replicated them... would I be stealing from microsoft?

STEAL THIS FILM

check out that movie.

And Mark Pesce's lecture on the subject. Keep in mind he was speaking in 05

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Google Video Link

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EDIT: A LINK TO THE VID. HERE

[edit on 12-6-2008 by DINSTAAR]

Private Torrents are the way forward , actually most people including myself use Rapidshare nowadays. Whenever they close one method down a new one pops up (Napster, Kazaa etc). If software, music and films wasn't so expensive people wouldn't resort to piracy.