Nuclear Explosion Suspected at Epicenter of the Sichuan Earthquake

Originally posted by WatchRider

Originally posted by Dan Tanna
Very possible.

I'll find out the link to an article where the Chinese asked the Americans to send over there 'radiation detecting' aircraft and / or satellites.

Hmm, the first thing that struck me was that the area isn't near to any major fault-lines. Food for thought...

Really? No fault lines??

Yes there are

There are fault lines and the seismic readings suggest it wasn't nuclear, but if you'd rather believe we can set off quakes, fine, believe it.

Originally posted by WhatTheory
Even a underground nuclear explosion would be detected via satellite. If this happened then the UK and US would surely know about it. Why would they not announce they have detected a nuclear detonation? I guess its possible this happened but confirmation would have to be provided from outside of China for me to really believe this happened.

Exactly. Every single nuclear explosion also increases the amount of radioactive isotopes in the atmosphere, even underground explosions. Nobody can even test a device without the rest of the world (or rather those watching) knowing about it.

The US, UK, Russia.....all silent on this front.

This story is idle speculation nothing more with the reality checks mentioned here that have passed the speculator by.

Originally posted by apex

Originally posted by WatchRider

Originally posted by Dan Tanna
Very possible.

I'll find out the link to an article where the Chinese asked the Americans to send over there 'radiation detecting' aircraft and / or satellites.

Hmm, the first thing that struck me was that the area isn't near to any major fault-lines. Food for thought...

Really? No fault lines??

Yes there are

There are fault lines and the seismic readings suggest it wasn't nuclear, but if you'd rather believe we can set off quakes, fine, believe it.

I would bet anything that we could set off earthquakes with nukes underground, if it was placed at the fault itself.

I seriously doubt that was the case here though. We were able to detect the underground nuke North Korea tested with satellites. The detecting equipment China was asking for was to find the smaller radioactive substances, such as those used in x-ray machines at hospitals. No matter how small it is, it has to be accounted for, as it could be used for a dirty b0mb in the wrong hands.

ok guys found this kinda interesting

He said when he entered the village, survivors were already showing signs of skin diseases.

He said, "The villagers had big sores and wounds. They look like blisters with liquid. And I quickly told the authorities when I discovered this disease."

When asked how many people have been afflicted by this disease, Dr Cao replied, "Right now, I can't tell you this. But this disease is not contagious."

Currently all the injured are in neighbouring Dujiangyan and Chengdu hospitals, while the rest of the villagers are staying at shelters nearby.

Source:
www.channelnewsasia.com...

now i do know radiation lowers the blood cell count which could lead to infection, but i dont know if this is the case here. I do find it interesting that these people all have the same infection yet it is not contagious.

Originally posted by Contagion2012


I would bet anything that we could set off earthquakes with nukes underground, if it was placed at the fault itself.

Maybe we can, but it would be a hit and miss thing, particularly if you want to get a particular motion type from it. A quake generally though, quite possibly. Drilling deep enough is a problem with it though.

reply to post by bluepanic

I know people who are working for the Epoch Times and I can tell you for sure that Epoch Times is not funded by CIA or any other government organization. If it would, it would have had much more money. This claim in fact comes from the Chinese Communist Party.

Also, your remarks on what happens in Flushing is based on the propaganda from the Chinese Communist Party. The allegations that Falun Gong practitioners are celebrating the earthquake is simply plain lies. In Flushing, some Falun Gong practitioners have for years volunteered to let more Chinese know what crimes the CCP has been guilty of the last 50 years.

After the earthquake, the CCP found a new way to attack Falun Gong (with lies and slander -- like they have been doing all along in the persecution of the group). In fact, the Chinese people attacking Falun Gong practitioners in Flushing are sent there by the Chinese Consuate in New York (they offered money to Chinese in exchange that they go there and slander Falun Gong), and sources say that security agents, media as well as other people from mainland China have been sent to New York to help stage this event.

They used the following strategies: first they spread lies in the community that Falun Gong was happy about the earthquake, which is an outrageous lie.

(In Falun Gong, which belongs to the Buddha schools of cultivation practices, one cultivates compassion. Human life, and all life for that matter, is deeply respected. Practitioners at the site in Flushing held three silent minutes to mourn the people who died in Sichuan, before starting with their activity.)

They used the climate after the earthquake to, with the help of these lies, create rage against Falun Gong practitioners, in trying to reach their goal of finding public support for continuing the persecution of Falun Gong in China.

The lie also fits well with the general lie from CCP that Falun Gong is a dangerous cult that has to be eliminated (that´s the lie that they have promoted publicly through all the state-owned medias to establish some support for their persecution in the Chinese society). Secondly, they sent large numbers of Chinese there to "protest" (actually, they were behaving like huligans, beating people and making death-threats). Also, some Chinese faked to be practitioners and went around talking, giving the impression that Falun Gong practitioners really are what the rumors claimed. At the same time, Chinese state-media filmed it, and the whole thing was then broadcasted in Chinese television combined with the lies.

All-in-all, the Chinese communist Party is acting like it has always done for the last 50 years: using lies, slander, terrorism, propaganda to fool the Chinese people in order to maintain its power. The way the use the media to promote itself as the saviour of the chinese people after the earthquake is so typical. Then at the same time, of the cameras, they attack and detain mothers who are protesting openly that the school buildings were so poorly built because of the wide-spread corruption in the CCP.

Actually there are a few articles that shows China and Russia accusing the US for the earthquake using the H.A.A.R.P. program

www.gather.com...

I work for a company under the French company AREVA that makes nuclear detection equipment. We received an email about Canberra (under AREVA) sending detectors to China in response to "urgent requests".

reply to post by Unit541


Well considering that it has never happened before even in earthquake prone areas It would be safe to say that no, It can not cause an earthquake because tectonic plates are just to big to be moved by such a small event.

The hundreds of underground test that they did in Nevada proves that.

reply to post by Anonymous ATS


They must have had some nuclear equipment get damaged by the quake. I wonder if the C.I.A or M.I.6 has got anybody in there yet to find out just how bad this is really going to get.
I can imagine the Indians and Russia are freaking over the Intel on this event.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
There is a under ground base between China & India. I think this has a connection to the earthquake...

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That is in Tibet so if there was something there don't you think we would have more to go on rather than one story of a huge area?

The fact that India and China fought over that land seems telling. Maybe they were not really fighting each other and they were fighting against the ETs. The fact that neither country will go into that area much says allot.

reply to post by WhatTheory


Nuclear explosions are readily identifiable from seismic records. No such records exist, however, to indicate such an event took place. Not one seismologist has come out to say as much.

And your right, any country with a half-decent seismological effort would be able to immediately identify a nuclear explosion underground. Not from sat's, but base stations on the ground itself. A detonation could be detected anywhere on the globe.

reply to post by budski


An "unnamed expert"? And what qualifies him as so? And if he's unnamed, how can the information be vetted?

These kind of statements are so silly because a nuclear explosion has a specific seismic signature that would have been picked up by many countries and even universities. Also, no matter how sealed the chamber, there would always be residual radiation that would leak that would be picked up by satellites.

This is just another paranoia "the sky is falling" statement from the "unnamed expert".

Originally posted by Now_Then

Originally posted by vor78
reply to post by budski

 

That seems incredibly unlikely, I would think. The epicenter was 12 miles deep, if memory serves. No, I would argue that the quake probably caused a nuclear mishap, not the other way around. Of course, regardless of whether the chicken or the egg came first, so to speak, I do think a nuclear event may well have taken place based on this and other articles.

Well hypothetically speaking... It could very well be possible, any explosion in a confined space concentrates it's force, think holding a fire cracker on the palm of your hand... burnt hand, do the same thing but make your hand into a fist and you will beak most of the bones in your hand!

What's to say that the fault was already under considerable stress (as all good faults should be) and the confined nuke detonation was the straw to break the camels back? A deep underground base would direct a fair amount of energy down as well as every other direction.

My tupence

This is not a really viable option. Think about what your suggesting here. You are saying that the energy displacement is 360 degrees in a universal fashion. This is simply not possible according to the laws of thermal expansion or the laws that govern the flow of energy. Energy as with fluid will flow in the path of least resistance. There are no exceptions to this rule that I am aware of. That being said, yes some of the energy will flow universally 360 degrees, but the vast majority of the energy will flow in the direction of least resistance, which would be apparently upward as is evident by the concrete rubble that is on the surface. According t Boyle's law as the volume of air in an airtight vessel is compressed, the pressure will rise. This would indicate that the air pressure first found and expanded the "weak" spot and thus created a greater area of least resistance for both the pressure and the thermal release of energy to flow. That being said, it would seem most likely that the explosion or detonation of the nuclear device was created from the quake and not the other way around. I would find it very surprising if the path of least resistance was 10-12 miles of earth. Besides the release of the concrete rubble pretty much indicates where the path of least resistance lies.
In any case the government of China should have taken greater care where they store or test their nuclear devices, it only takes a small amount of common sense to come to the conclusion that you do not store nuclear material directly above a fault; of course, the same logic would apply to not knowing your aircraft were carrying armed nuclear warheads across your own country and then end up in either mis accounting for one or losing one. I cannot see the aircraft being able to land or take off with the tremendous unbalanced situation that would result from having an odd number of nuclear equipped missiles mounted on the wings, think about the weight and what that would do to the "heavy" wing on take-off and landing. On landing the pilot may be able to compensate with trim he had set up during flight; however that is simply not possible on take-off.

Happy fishing.

reply to post by bluepanic


www.youmaker.com...




Nuclear weapons sites in China's earthquake zone

Nuclear experts said that closer to the epicenter of the earthquake, in rugged hills a two-hour drive west of Mianyang, China runs a highly secretive center that houses a prompt-burst reactor. It mimics the rush of speeding subatomic particles that an exploding atom bomb spews out in its first microseconds.

North in an even more rugged and inaccessible region, nuclear experts said, China maintains a hidden complex of large tunnels in the side of a mountain where it stores nuclear arms.

“It’s very close to the epicenter,” said one specialist, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because, to the best of his knowledge, the exact location of the secret complex had never been publicly disclosed.

Dr. Stillman, the former intelligence chief at Los Alamos, said he had immense regard for the Chinese weapons scientists and assumed that many of their nuclear plants had been built to ride out the pounding of an earthquake or other disasters, natural or man-made.

infoproc.blogspot.com...

Western Experts Monitor China’s Nuclear Sites for Signs of Earthquake Damage
NEW YORK TIMES

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WoW I am so suprised that nobody here has talked about HAARP..the chinese are said to be bloodthirsty that the USA used it HAarp weapon to trigger the earthquke..the nuke story came out after the HAArp story was out on the net.....

Maybe asked the LI family since they control much

The fact this so called "Nuclear" event occurred in China, and that China is in fact hosting the Olympics on 080808, lends some credibility the possibility that "Terrorists" exploded a weapon in an attempt to disrupt the Olympics. I tend to believe if an event like that were too happen, the venue would be destroyed, rather than the occupants.
In that regard, multiple nation members have all gathered to celebrate human accomplishment. Any rational middle east radical would see that killing 100's of people, from 100's of countries, isn't such a good idea. This would be provoking the world and would surely end in their immediate demise.

I dunno...Just a thought, lol. I have a hard time believing this because I haven't heard anything about it, that is until I read it here... I work in the Intel community and possess a very high clearance.
If something like this really occurred, I would have read about it on the SIPR net, or it would have been covered in staff briefings. In any case, if that happened, I couldn't talk about it anyway, so therefore, you can trust me when I tell you there was nothing nuclear involved in this quake.
There has been no "Official" release of any information other than the actual events we already know about.

You guys rock! Thanks for keeping things interesting. The truth is out there...

Later fellas,

Blud


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Every since the earthquake, I've been asking myself, how does this happened. I was looking for reasons but in vain. What actually cause the Sichuan Earthquake?
Any words from the officals?

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Originally posted by BLuDKLoT so therefore, you can trust me when I tell you there was nothing nuclear involved in this quake.

Hehehe lemme see if I understand you...

You say you work in intel, but have no credentials...
You say if you heard anything you couldn't tell us..

So I should 'trust' an admitted agent to be telling me the truth?

Ummm uh huh

Well lets try this.. can you link me to the satellite data that covers China for the day in question so I can see if there are any 'unusual' readings that day..

provided of course that
A) There was a sniffer satellite in position..
B) That the Chinese really cannot 'blind' our satellites as they claim

If this story were true.. this is what it would look like.
Check out these vids of underground nuclear explosions.



imagine a city on top of that





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