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Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
I think what he was saying was that he believes someone had made it up; some anti, that is. Correct me if I'm wrong Masonic Light.
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Yes indeed:
“Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled ...”
“The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.” (MORALS AND DOGMA, pp. 104, 105 & 819)
Originally posted by Masonic Light
The first quote details Pike's concerns that, at the time he wrote his book, it was starting to become "too easy" to become a Mason. He was concerned that people would be admitted into our Lodges that we would sooner or later regret having initiated. In large part, Pike's concerns were valid. Every year at Grand Lodge, a list is read of members who've been expelled in the previous year for committing crimes or immoral acts; obviously, most of these should never have darkened our doors in the first place.
Pike points out that many such people, bearing a grudge, would attempt to betray the fraternity. But if they were "weeded out", their knowledge would consist only in Masonic legends, which mean nothing to non-Masons.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
At the time he wrote "Morals and Dogma", Pike believed this story literally. Since the Blue Degrees do not mention Templary, Pike believed that some of the symbols that he associated with the Templars had been given false interpretations, and that therefore the true interpretations (i.e., Templar origins) were found in the Scottish Rite.
However, after Gould published his "History of Freemasonry", Pike retracted this statement. Gould conclusively showed that Freemasonry was not a lineal successor to the Templars...
Already in 1675, and thus forty-two years before the birth of Speculative Masonry, Father Louis Maimbourg spoke of the Society of Free Masons "that is believed to have been formed at the time of the conquest of the Holy Land" in his Histoire des Croisades, which was published and translated several times. Elsewhere, a recently discovered document demonstrates the existence of a Chapter of Knights in an English Masonic lodge in 1710, seven years before the birth of Speculative Masonry! This order was founded by Frenchmen and was more free-thinking than religious, but it nevertheless used the vocabulary of Knighthood and had a Grand Master as its head. Finally, Ramsay...
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
I think what he was saying was that he believes someone had made it up; some anti, that is. Correct me if I'm wrong Masonic Light.
That line is not found in the Ritual as used in my Jurisdiction, and I've never heard it used in the Ritual of other jurisdictions I've visited.
Originally posted by toasted
[Yes it would be, since I ;
a. I'm not sure just exactly where it is.
b. I don't have a scanner
Besides I don't think, that a handful of names would convince you or any other loyal mason of anything, in fact, if the whole book was posted, I'm sure you'd feel the same way or would at least act like it.
good day...
Originally posted by toasted
You mean, besides the FACT that the corporations
and public officials including those who run the teevee and radio
are full of masons who own and run them?
I have my copy of "who's who in the elite", you're gonna have to get your own.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
You forgot option c.;
It does not exist.
I don't find them either controlling or sinister, to be honest. The quote you've given is
Originally posted by Capozzelli
I understand, but why would a grand lodge leave in these words? To me they do seem controling and maybe sinister. Masoniclight has said he doesn't agree with them even if they were ritual. Are they in your ritual? If they were would you disagree as well? Is there a group that reviews the words for things like this?
Duncan's
Q. Why were you neither barefoot nor shod?
A. It was in conformity to an ancient Israelitish custom: we read in the book of Ruth, that it was their manner of changing and redeeming; and to confirm all things, a Mason plucked off his shoe and gave it to his neighbor, and that was testimony in Israel. This then we do in confirmation of a token, and as a pledge of our fidelity; thereby signifying that we will renounce our own will in all things, and become obedient to the laws of our ancient institution.
which you might find less objectionable.
I did this in token of my sincerity in the work I was then entering upon.
But if the book listed doesn't make claims that these people are Masons, how can toasted say that it does? That's the bit I'm wondering. (No mention of Masons in the Table of Contents, nor any of the Amazon reviews, that I could find...)
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Once again I'm assuming the role of interpretor ... but I think he meant this book:
Who's Who of the Elite: Members of the Bilderbergs, Council on Foreign Relations, & Trilateral Commission (Paperback)
by Robert Gaylon, Sr. Ross (Author)
www.amazon.com...
I don't have it, nor have I ever read it; but I am pretty sure that it contains exactly what it says it contains (eg, sans de membres francs-maçons). As I've mentioned here before, it is way easier - for a number of reasons, and I don't want to get into it again - to get lists of the above-mentioned "elite" org members than it is to confirm membership in Freemasonry.
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
I don't have it, nor have I ever read it; but I am pretty sure that it contains exactly what it says it contains (eg, sans de membres francs-maçons). As I've mentioned here before, it is way easier - for a number of reasons, and I don't want to get into it again - to get lists of the above-mentioned "elite" org members than it is to confirm membership in Freemasonry.