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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Christian mysticism is what founded Christianity in the first place.
Originally posted by pause4thought
Look, I do know what you are getting at here, but it really doesn't hold water. Whereas a mystic seeks experiences that give feelings and impressions, the revelations from God which led to the writing of Scripture were rational and came with such pin-sharp clarity that sometimes entire teachings are premised on the choice of a single word from a previously-God-breathed passage. Or even part of a word (-e.g. Galatians 3:16)!
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
What website?
Originally posted by pause4thought
I apologise. I didn't make it clear enough that the quotes were from the NDE website you linked to.
Originally posted by pause4thought
Like Emperor Justinian for example, who ordered all references to the doctrine of reincarnation to be omitted from the Bible in the Sixth Century, under penalty of incarceration, torture, and death.
Most early Christians actually embraced the doctrine of reincarnation.
But because of Justinian, it pretty much ended in Christendom.
Originally posted by pause4thought
I confess I have never come across such a claim.
Originally posted by pause4thought
It sounds somewhat esoteric, but that would be in keeping with your penchants.
Originally posted by pause4thought
However I am aware that false doctrines abounded in the early church, and large portions of the New Testament (even entire books, such as 1 John and Jude) warn against them.
Originally posted by pause4thought
As to reincarnation - that would clearly come under the guise of false doctrine. For a start the Old Testament would be sufficient to refute it, and that was the foundation of New Testament teaching.
At the Fifth Ecumenical Church Council at Constantinople in 553 A.D., under the reign of the Emperor Justinian, several books, including those on reincarnation, were removed from the Bible and many other changes in the text were made. Resisting these distortions, the Coptic Templar Order continued to preserve the pure teachings and records of the life of Jesus through the centuries.
Not until the fourth century, when Christianity evolved from harried bands of secret worshippers to an institution ripe for political manipulation, did opposition develop to reincarnation in Christian theology. The new Christian-State alliance, aiming for the cultivated dependence on the masses, felt threatened by those who believed in rebirth because such Christians tended to be self-reliant, free-thinking individuals whose subservience could not be guaranteed. Neither to be induced by promises of heavenly bliss nor intimidated by threats of hellfire, they were branded as heretics (the word "heretic" means, at root, nothing more pernicious than one who is "able to choose"). Nevertheless, there was no official edict condemning the doctrine of reincarnation across the Roman empire until the year 533 AD, when the Emperor Justinian issued formal ecclesiastical curses against the "monstrous restoration" of rebirth. This censure was followed by persecution to all who refused to surrender their convictions. Resistance, however, was so tenacious - particularly by rebel Christians called the Cathars - that not until the thirteenth century did the church's campaign of terror and slaughter effectively rout reincarnational thinking in the West.
There is strong evidence (e.g. Dead Sea Scrolls) that Jesus of Nazareth was a member of the Jewish Essene Sect. It is speculated often that one of the main reasons the Catholic Church has chosen not to release all the Dead Sea Scrolls for public scrutiny is because they contain unequivocal evidence within them that Jesus was a member of the Essene sect and that that sect strongly believed in reincarnation. Reincarnation was a widely held belief amongst many early 'Christians' (as well as some Jewish sects, the Essenes, the Gnostics and some Pharisees) up until AD 553, when the 5th Ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church convened by the Roman Emperor Justinian at Constantinople declared the concept to be "an anathema".
It should be clearly understood that the concept of reincarnation is a serious threat to the power and authority of the Christian Church because it unequivocally renders as irrelevant the self appointed role of the Christian Clergy to "absolve sin and save sinners from descending into eternal hell".
If anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema.
Whoever says or thinks that human souls pre-existed, i.e., that they had previously been spirits and holy powers, but that, satiated with the vision of God, they had turned to evil, and in this way the divine love in them had died out (apyugeisas) and they had therefore become souls (yukas) and had been condemned to punishment in bodies, shall be anathema.
Originally posted by pause4thought
I find different perspectives interesting & enjoy listening to what people with very different views have to say. It's worth bearing in mind, however, that the OP was clearly addressing the question from a Christian perspective.
Originally posted by pause4thought
reply to post by darcon
Hi. Nice to meet you.
I find different perspectives interesting & enjoy listening to what people with very different views have to say. It's worth bearing in mind, however, that the OP was clearly addressing the question from a Christian perspective.
let us not forget the fact that Saint Paul of Tarsus, who you are citing, was also Christian mystic
Christianity was started by Christian mystics. People who received information or data from Spirit, who then interpreted it, and who then wrote it down. Years later men decided to make it "scripture." Paul certainly had nothing to do with that decision, as they never asked him about it. His epistles were collected many years after his death.
..our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
And when this letter is read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans...
I adjure you by the Lord to have this letter read to all the brethren.
...his epistles, which later were selected to be scripture in a new testament, had all kinds of grammatical errors in them.
But know this first of all, that no prphecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
If you find information from personal and valid experiences that contradicts that which you have been taught, then maybe you need to re-evaluate your fundamental understanding. You know...DENY IGNORANCE & MANIPULATION.
I am serving The Light simply by relaying this higher awareness to you.
The true light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.
I also concur that blindly believing every word of the bible without questioning its authenticity and if it was subject to manipulation is a docile sheep to say the least. I mean after all the 'revisions' and recorded removals of sections I too would doubt the validity of the bible.
Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons...
You cant respect someone when you think their views are abhorrent. Thats like me respecting a muslim and going home and preaching Christianity is the true way, thats deception.
Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons...
1 Timothy 4:1a
Phil 1:21-24
For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body.
LOL @ Christian perspective
Originally posted by Darcon
Yet another example of a misguided soul. They will pay a Karmic Debt when they leave that life. Everything we do, and say is replayed when we die, and the Karma Police are their.
No such thing as evil.
Just your perception i Suppose.