Divided views as US fence goes up

Originally posted by deltaboy
It will make the Korean DMZ look like a backyard.

Don't forget the Berlin Wall.

[edit on 2/1/2008 by Griff]

You're telling me that a bunch of mexicans are going to get through this?

weneedafence.com...

Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by biggie smalls

 

I can afford to take a flight. Or go through legal checkpoints.

Until you become 'illegal' yourself for your views...

Remember, it's not hard for the government to declare your disagreement with their policies as traitorous. From there, they can do whatever they want to you.

In fact, as it stands right now, they don't have to answer to anyone as to 'why' they do away with you. They simply have to imply that everyone they do make disappear is for the security of the nation.

Hell of an easy way to make sure there are fewer supporters left to vote for other parties.

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Why is it, in that diagram of the fence, that the ditch is on the American side? It states, "Deep enough to prevent vehicles from being able to ram the fence at high speed."
... but the ditch is on the wrong side?
They're afraid of Americans trying to break through the fence?

[edit on 1-2-2008 by johnsky]

Just shoot people that don't wan't to fo through the checkpoints!!!Simple answer to a simple problem. thats the way a country is supposed to be protected


mikell

I've had a thought.. it happens sometimes..

How does this fence on the border affect the North American Union plans?

If the plan is to create this union and bring in the Amero currency, then why waste all this cash on a fence that will do nothing more than slow the tide of people crossing a border?

It seems a bit daft to me to be in the process of secretly bringing about a union but openly making a statement that says 'keep out'.

Unless the attention that is brought about by the 'keep out' signs is a warm up to the fanfares, flag waving, parties and propaganda that will usher in the NAU.

Keep them hungry and soon they will beg to be a part of a union with us (as whispered in some secret chamber by some fat cat official).

A few ATS links to keep you up with the NAU;
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by SolPower
You're telling me that a bunch of mexicans are going to get through this?

weneedafence.com...

Yeah, those dumb mexicans can't figure anything out can they.

[edit] Largest U.S.-Mexican tunnel is discovered
In late January, 2006, the largest smuggling tunnel to date was found on the US-Mexico border. The 2400-foot-long (720m) tunnel runs from a warehouse near the Tijuana airport to a warehouse in San Diego. When discovered, it was devoid of people, but it did contain 2 tons of marijuana. It was 5 feet high and up to 90 feet deep. The floor was made of cement and the walls were dried dirt, with lights lining one side and a ventilation system to keep fresh air circulating. Authorities said it was unclear how long the tunnel had been in operation.

On January 30, U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agents arrested a Mexican Citizen, who was linked to the tunnel via the U.S. warehouse, operated by V&F Distributors LLC. On the Friday before, January 27, immigration authorities reportedly received information that the Mexican cartel behind the operation was threatening the lives of any agents involved with the construction or occupation of the tunnel. US Customs and Immigration, however, pledged to protect them as best they can. Authorities believe Tijuana's Arellano-Felix drug syndicate, or some other well-known drug cartel, was behind the building and operation of the tunnel. [7]

en.wikipedia.org...

Nope. They aint smart enough.

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Originally posted by mikellmikell
Just shoot people that don't wan't to fo through the checkpoints!!!Simple answer to a simple problem. thats the way a country is supposed to be protected


mikell

Welcome to Nazi America?

You have to admit, that sounds an awful lot like a prison nation.

Ah well, so much for freedom. It was amusing while it lasted.

reply to post by SolPower


Wow. That's more cameras than the pentagon has.

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by SolPower
You're telling me that a bunch of mexicans are going to get through this?

weneedafence.com...

Yeah, those dumb mexicans can't figure anything out can they.

[edit] Largest U.S.-Mexican tunnel is discovered
In late January, 2006, the largest smuggling tunnel to date was found on the US-Mexico border. The 2400-foot-long (720m) tunnel runs from a warehouse near the Tijuana airport to a warehouse in San Diego. When discovered, it was devoid of people, but it did contain 2 tons of marijuana. It was 5 feet high and up to 90 feet deep. The floor was made of cement and the walls were dried dirt, with lights lining one side and a ventilation system to keep fresh air circulating. Authorities said it was unclear how long the tunnel had been in operation.

On January 30, U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agents arrested a Mexican Citizen, who was linked to the tunnel via the U.S. warehouse, operated by V&F Distributors LLC. On the Friday before, January 27, immigration authorities reportedly received information that the Mexican cartel behind the operation was threatening the lives of any agents involved with the construction or occupation of the tunnel. US Customs and Immigration, however, pledged to protect them as best they can. Authorities believe Tijuana's Arellano-Felix drug syndicate, or some other well-known drug cartel, was behind the building and operation of the tunnel. [7]

en.wikipedia.org...

Nope. They aint smart enough.

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They've probably been constructing that for over 500 years at their pace.

Originally posted by SolPower
They've probably been constructing that for over 500 years at their pace.

And how is a fence going to stop them from constructing new and improved means in the next 500 years?

I agree with whomever said that the real fix would be to get them on their own feet.

well as a us citzen i have paid medacare social security federal income tax and state taxes all my life. if they havent why should they get the benifit of being here . the only way you could compare the fence or deporting citzens of another contry to the nazis is if we went to there contry built a fence and told them to leave. by building a fence on a countrys boder and protecting it and enforcing legal immigration to a country is by all means what being a soverign country is about. what goes on in another country should not be interfered with by another country. so if mexico is so bad let them change it them self. if they need help from another country let them ask for it. but dont just give your poor a comic book and say this is how you get across the boder to the us and once you get there things will be better the greengos will take care of you. and our politicians are mostly fighting the fence the people of the us shut down there planns of let them come when we shut down the phone systems at congress during the amnesty vote. hillary mcain obama they all support amnesty and the citzens will most likely have to make there voices heard again to stop them. i hope they all come to realize that regan gave amnesty and it didnt follow through on enfocing the borders. until the first deal has been finished enforcing the border and stoppping illegal immigration no other deals will be made.

Originally posted by dnodnodno
Hey guys, over there in good ol usa, ever think that maybe and just maybe its being constructed to keep people IN

Not to worry, if you ever feel a need to escape into Mexico you'll be able to take the Trans Texas Corridor non stop.

Originally posted by FredT
Rather than a real solution, the fence is a band aid pandering to whomever actually support it. It also smells of kickbacks to construction companies that donate big $$$$$

It will not really do alot to stop Illegal immigration. it may slow the amount of time it takes to make border crossing, but I doubt it will have any real impact on numbers

John McCain will just ship his mexican Voters over the borders in the Mexican truckers trailers since the trucks dont have to meet any USA regulations . Building the fence will help a little but the guys who traffic mexicans will find a way around it .

It just might be safe to say that the fence IS to keep people in rather than out.

Especially when you begin to read reports like this one;
www.abovetopsecret.com...

People in the UK have been doing similar for a few years now. Trips to France or other parts of Europe are becoming more to do with health than holidays.

reply to post by Extralien


Off Topic: Cool avatar.
I wonder if Mike can see any images in the aquaflame.

Originally posted by biggie smalls


Why don't we actually improve the quality of life in Central and South America

well, we're already in iraq 'improving the quality of life' so why not eh??

just make a list of all the places that are jacked up and the good ole us of a will make it a point to go improve #...
gimmie a break

most people in construction have the master key already for any fence its called a carbon blade for their saw!!They better make it a wall with maybe a moat!!he he its funny a fence the only thing fences keep in or out is animals. Maybe the government think were sheep? Baaaaahh

No open borders! Enslavement for all!

This is the real agenda. Build a wall, and all of a sudden you realize you're walled-in.

Some people are just ignorant! You know why they are building fences? Easy, to keep illegals out! American people started to complain about illegals taking their jobs for cheaper....so they built a fence, American people complained about gang wars and people still taking their jobs for cheaper....build a bigger fence, American people started complaining that the fence is too big and the US is trying to keep them in....Ummmmm what do you want? You guys want illegals invading your country? You guys want world peace? Damnit! what do you want?

Originally posted by Extralien


This is just diabolical.

Do they really think a fence will keep anyone out?
What if it is really the start of keeping people in?

With America facing a possible tough time with the value of its dollar, why is this serious waste of cash, manpower and materials being carried out?

I can see many people taking up pole vaulting or becoming mining engineers. And if the recent breach of the barrier in Egypt is anything to go by, then i hold little hope for this 'little boys tantrum' of a fence.

news.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

No. It wont keep people out. And no, it wont keep people in (if it cannot keep people out, how the hell will it keep people in?) ..

The objective is to force illegal traffic into more congested areas.. instead of a vast border, border crossings will be shrunken in size considerably, and it will be far easier to arrest those coming across.

Will it help?

No.

I used to work with Mexicans, and they never bothered running through a desert.. no.. they took a buss.

No joke.