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Originally posted by iskander
And this is a video which clearly shows what happens when barrels get changed in the field with out proper procedures and accurate headspace gauging.
Enjoy!
splodetv.com...
Does anybody still think that M2 is not obsolete? : )
Originally posted by Raemius
2): Experience and training has taught me that:
a) I want to be lighter, not heavier.
b) Nothing matters more to me then my brothers, and we want the best gear to complete our mission.
c) Marksmanship wins the day, not how many rounds you pour into a target area.
d) Accuracy means everything (anyone who has been in combat long enough will invariably hit a hot zone which makes re-supply impossible). Short controlled bursts buys a commander the time he needs to assess his enviorment and deploy and redeploy his assets as the situation mandates. You can not count on support just because you called for it. As soldiers we are trained to accomplish our mission with limited support (granted civilian intel is right about 50% of the time).
I personally resent a couple of remarks made in this thread. From my days at basic (rugular Army BIT and AIT) we were trained to fire accurately in short controlled bursts. This theory of spray and pray, is just that, good for movies not real life.
That being said unless we're pulling out I've never been in a position or read an AAR that required the use on a MANPAD 12.7. The squad 7.86 is more than adequate for what we need....
...However rarely have we encountered a MANPAD 12.7mm on patrol. Truck mounted versions are another story.
It's training that gets the job done not any particular weapons system. Granted stopping power is a tremendous asset (I love the 6.8 over the 5.56, as well as the .45 over a 9). That being said unless we're pulling out I've never been in a position or read an AAR that required the use on a MANPAD 12.7. The squad 7.86 is more than adequate for what we need.
6): This debate here reminds me of the Cold War era AK vs. M-16 pissing match.
I personally could care less about the Kord. I'm sure it's a good weapon and in the hands of someone trained to use it I'm sure it's deadly accurate. That however can be said of any weapon (yes, I have been shot at by bolt action rifles). The enemy today will and is using any firearm they can get there hands on. However rarely have we encountered a MANPAD 12.7mm on patrol. Truck mounted versions are another story.
I'll finish with this, we need to spend more money on the gear that we ABSOLUTELY need, not waste more money on things that we don't. You want to spend my money on my guys, great! I love your enthusiasm. However allocate the resources to body armor, armor kits, and gear that does not inhibit mobility. Like I said before, we want to be made lighter not heavier. Regardless, no weapon system is going to beat this fanatical ideology. Jokers, (so called because these bastards do a whole lot of smiling and laughing), aren't afraid to die. They kill out of fanaticism not because they are better equipped.
And what everyone else is stating is that in that application being discussed, it's simply not true, or at least the M2 is all that is needed.
I have to say one thing, Iksander, you are incorrect in saying that the M2 Browning is based on a Maxin designed MG.
The reason we use the M2 still is that its been battle tested numerous times. I beleive the ol' Ma-Duece will be around of awhile yet.
Ok Iksander, I read ya loud and clear now. You were speaking of the operating systems being similar to one another, even though Browning and Maxim designed two different guns, correct?
Any way, I beleive I misunderstood what you were saying before, and after rereading your posts, I see where you are heading. Sorry about that, hopefully I am on the same page now.
Thanks for the welcome.
I have the utmost amount of respect for all my brothers, but especially anyone who roughed it through Airbourne training.
That being said, the D-Day invasion and our current dilemma are quite different. D-Day, aside from army on army, was mainly against fixed lines and positions. We knew where the brunt of the enemy was and thus easier to fix.
Nowadays, that isn't so. You walk down any alley or street in Stanley or Iraq and you keep your eyes in constant motion. The enemy can be anywhere or anyone..
I can't tell you the number of times some Joker would come up to us to sell something or be begging for candy (these bastards got a sweeter tooth then any ten year old American kid), and an hour later turns an AK on us.
Smaller means quicker, and being quick saves lives. Again I'm sure the Kord is a good weapon, however for Mout Op's you need to be light, quick, and small. Too many dark corners to deal with..
As far as firepower goes, I strongly suggest to every soldier out there to give a 6.8 a go. HK and Barret both make suitable models. Colt I hear is also passing one around the Spec Op's community. If you want an even bigger bang I suggest the 417. The noise alone will scare the crap out of any Joker, add the stopping power of a 7.86 round and all but your eardrumbs will be happy.