[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

Originally posted by tomiuk

Originally posted by nfotech

I have an email here from a certain lady, in it she tells me what a wonderful person I am and how intelligent and capable I am, how helpful, etc, etc. Apparently that too only applies so long as I believe in the magic drones.... What? You say you were told the exact same thing by her? And you, and you? Word for word? Hmmm...

That's the very definition of dis-ingenuousness, now isn't it?

If it's not, I think you just kicked over the wrong rock, my dear.

Well, since you have brought up our communications, please remember I also have your emails to expose as well..

Next, everyone who writes to me gets the same treatment, yes, that's correct. I usually start out believing that the person writing to me is genuine.. I'm nice back. I'm sympathetic enough to say, yes we have deeper research going on, that keeps us going towards the non-hoax side.. after a while, when they realise I can't disclose everything we know or bring them in, I see public attacks about us posted on ATS....

Feel free to post my emails, I've been completely honest with everyone. You want to tell Sys I used to think he was an evil bastard? Considering all the PM's I sent to him via other ARC members I think he's fully aware of it. I have nothing to hide while it seems you have quite a bit.

You seem to forget quite a long time passed where I stopped emailing you and your team, your efforts to make it sound like I jumped ship the minute you refused me access to the golden temple of drone worship is just another in a long line of misdirection, exaggeration, obfuscation....

When I came to face the facts of the case I went to numbers and to you privately to tell you, because that's what an honorable person does. I gave you one last chance to make your case and you refused.

When the first results of the analysis were in I emailed your team as a courtesy and let you know what we found. There has never been any private discussion of that analysis other than that email to your team.

Of the two of us, so far I'm the only one acting with any honesty, it seems.

Once again,
Give me the missing photos, secret evidence, contact info for the witnesses, a copy of the PI case file and now 50 cents and I'll give you my analysis. I think that's a fair exchange. Keep insulting me and I go to 75 cents.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by nfotech]

boom, droppin the post.

Originally posted by nfotech
boom, droppin the post.

You have a hell of a cheek. But that's more or less what all of you are about here anyway. We release as much information and well founded research as we can present it.

You refuse to release any substantive information about your drone photo research because it would "cause confusion"..

Now you make demands..

unbelievable..

Originally posted by tomiuk

Originally posted by nfotech
boom, droppin the post.

You have a hell of a cheek. But that's more or less what all of you are about here anyway. We release as much information and well founded research as we can present it.

You refuse to release any substantive information about your drone photo research because it would "cause confusion"..

Now you make demands..

unbelievable..

When threads get this big apparently you have to post twice before a new page will show, dear. I wanted to maintain the flow of conversation and post order, nothing more.

Every time you crow about your "well founded and professional research" the bile rises in my throat.

When I turn on C2C (cause I'm funny like that) and hear LMH spouting off about how the drones are definitely real, not CG and not photo shopped despite the fact every expert who's looked at them says that's exactly what they are...

When I listen to her other stories about rectum-less cows and have to wonder if she's lying or exaggerating about that too...

When I watch you whine about my analysis while you hold back volumes of evidence, probably evidence which would further prove a hoax, IMO

It makes me sick. This cases is offensive and your handling of it while flopping around on one wing, crying like an injured bird is pornographic in it's offensiveness.

I'm not releasing my analysis because if I have to watch your team twist it and turn it into another lie and God forbid LMH goes on C2C and pimps it out in some half-truth my goddamn head will explode.

You are manipulating this case and holding back evidence because someone somewhere needs this case to be real until the book or TV special is paid for. Quit acting like whores, please. You need to look at what you're doing to all of ufology but I don't expect you to give a damn, the people in it for money never do.

She's baiting you man she knows what the deal is. Maybe she is hoping the thread gets locked like they do at OM when the questioning gets Real and the answers get scarce. Maybe enough ugly posts and viewers wont read here anymore. Agitate and Poison the waters with static. I truly hope she gets what she deserves, a denial of this forum as a stepping stone to keep promoting the Drone via dribble. She should promote over at DRT. thats where it rests decomposing , despite the laughable attempts at rescuscitation.
On behalf of all the ARC members Tomi
The thing you once spent pages saying it wasnt Levs and it was despite reliable people saying otherwise.
Please go home to DRT and Thump this with your brethren, taking turns, learn to share, but not with not US please !

Thank you



[edit on 3-6-2008 by Sys_Config]

Originally posted by Sys_Config
She's baiting you man she knows what the deal is. Maybe she is hoping the thread gets locked like they do at OM when the questioning gets Real and the answers get scarce. Maybe enough ugly posts and viewers wont read here anymore. Agitate and Poison the waters with static. I truly hope she gets what she deserves, a denial of this forum as a stepping stone to keep promoting the Drone via dribble. She should promote over at DRT. thats where it rests decomposing , despite the laughable attempts at rescuscitation.
On behalf of all the ARC members Tomi
The thing you once spent pages saying it wasnt Levs and it was despite reliable people saying otherwise.
Please go home to DRT and Thump this!
ovnis-usa.com...

I know, she did the same thing over at OM. They really don't want me posting about the case, especially over there. I think it's played out anyway. I'm getting that "all I ever learned about manipulating men I learned in 3rd grade" vibe. She does her thing and I'm going to do what I have to and she can think that one over when the smoke clears. I was perfectly fine with letting them hang themselves without my help....

This indeed is an great example of Truth is stranger than fiction, Ithe amount of posts on drones has now reached a stunning 8 posts, and 3 replies and holding. Numbing statistics indeed.Even Numbers has not written OM perhaps he knows better. I like that spinningshields person, at OM, stick with those like her info and you will be just fine. as for numbers He is busy creating angles showing tilts to rebuff Sp33. What a superb and exquisite scene. Sp33 did not buy optical illusions argument. Perhaps more persuasion is needed, or even change the laws of geometry, maybe even a mayan glass skull can be bought to bare here, we are talking about saving a life of a drone , and no measure should be excluded.



[edit on 3-6-2008 by Sys_Config]

[edit on 3-6-2008 by Sys_Config]

reply to post by Sys_Config


By the time the book comes out I expect the laws of optical physics to be fully re-written. We will all be able to hover above the power lines on that fine day.

~sorry about the evil bastard thing, by the way. Like I said once upon a time, I'm wrong about a lot of things but I fight hard for each and every one.

Originally posted by Sys_Config
@DRDil, Thank you for bringing up that Alignment problem with the Drone posing for the Camera shooter, that Sp33 caught. I always want to acknowldge my sources and we are all in this together.

Not necessary Sys but I thank you anyway, and you’d better believe we are all in it together!!
(For better or worse, until proof do us part ).

Originally posted by Sys_Config
You mean tomi's been like....?

[snip]

This isn't an obsession, its a doggone recreational activity!
Dr.Dil, tell us not you too..

Not really Sys but then I’ve always been incredibly vocal about LMH and her dealings with the Drones, perhaps that’s why? I must admit I was a little surprised to hear you’d been contacted privately and asked to lay off LMH as the two forum posts I included at the bottom of my timeline were from last September, so I’ve been making noises about that particular aspect for longer than most, plus I’d mentioned it many times prior to the two posts which I referenced.

@ Info – Does this mean that your initial opinion of me has changed!!

[edit on 3-6-2008 by DrDil]

Originally posted by nfotech
reply to post by Sys_Config

 

By the time the book comes out I expect the laws of optical physics to be fully re-written. We will all be able to hover above the power lines on that fine day.

~sorry about the evil bastard thing, by the way. Like I said once upon a time, I'm wrong about a lot of things but I fight hard for each and every one.

Direct approaches sometimes yield direct answers, no harm done. It seems Didiers or Nemos approach has yielded results of its own, why, he is no longer just a moderator but a co-administrator. Outstanding. Hmm Infotech, perhaps OM is revealing the true direction it wants to go, notwithstanding drones current paltry performance. It must mean something more than bigger and better drones ahead.

reply to post by Sys_Config


Yes that is troubling and worthy of a watchful eye.

Dr - I've always liked you, don't recall ever calling you anything too horrible

reply to post by DrDil


Hi Doc just missed your post! Thanx. I hope I left enough bleach for the cleanup. This Co-admin with Nemo does OM give away titles loosely like that, and as oderators are appointed, perhaps numbers is deserving of one for all his hard grief he's disdepnsed. or is a new transition taking place..Does it involve financial transactions, my favorite topic I don't see anything other at the moment as a motive..



[edit on 3-6-2008 by Sys_Config]

Wow! I missed a lot of action, I see!

I love that "Why do you talk about drones, if you don't believe in them?!" This is a serious religion. Tomi used the magical words "Leave my church!", not aware, this is our kitchen here.

Do me one favour, infotech, what you could sent to them, you surely also can send to me. I won't use it at all. Just want to compare the arguments for myself.

My email address can be found at the link below.

reply to post by Sys_Config


really, sys? i do hope other info contained in your posts show a better understanding of the cited concepts and ideas.

or maybe i wasn't clear enough on droneteam.com but i'll state again here; i simply think the position required on the 3d drone to match the photo is odd. it was surprising that it appears to need to be tilted as this wasn't apparent just having looked at the photos all these months. i don't think steven's photos are unbelievable, nor do i believe the tilt is reason to announce fakery. i'm still 50-50 here. the alignment issue could be a random coincidence, or it could be a hoaxer matching the perspective of the photo incorrectly.

as a side note while researching the usgs terrain data for chad's location recently; there are apparently some deviations and errors of up to 30 meters horizontal in the usgs 3d terrain data similar to what i used. this is something i need look into further. there very well may be vertical errors in the terrain data which could account for need to tilt the drone to resolve the 3d to match the photo.

at this point i welcome any other examinations into the angle of the drone in steven's photos.

i think it would be fairly easy for someone else to do a photogrammetrical study to either confirm or controvert the whole tilted concept.

I wish DRT could at least quote me PROPERLY since they feel the need to quote me. I mean really, the 7 people who might read that could get the wrong impression!

I'll say it again so they can get it right,

"Every single legitimate, credentialed expert I have discussed the "drones" with who has looked at these images has labeled them CGI, these drones only exist in computers, this CRAP is a HOAX."

There... now please correct your site DRTers.

I just can't ban Tomi Sys... She hasn't broken the TAC and she does make for some great responses from the people who aren't in this for the money or the religion .

Springer...

Originally posted by spf33
reply to post by Sys_Config

 

Thanx sp33 for coming, I copied your analysis or what I could given space, into the comments , section, and felt it was complete. The post here was only an excerpt of that.I just thought it odd that so many oddities appeared for a aspontaneous unplanned snapshot.. The purpose also was to demonstrate the reactions to your comment, which cannot be denied.
It wasn't until you said you dont care, as long it falls within "reason" did numbers seem to end his panic attack. The posting of a 1 degree variation, may 2 , from a straigt perpindicualr as Numbers attempted and claiming, there you see? was laughable if it were not so sad. Which is why he ran litterally to the other fotoss to find the proper angles. Just as DRT likes to comment on the experts, and revise the history and timleines and witnesses, I think we can at least from the peanut gallery call it as we see from here on on the reactions and stateof minds. .And like it or not, we know what we saw in those exchanges. No reflection absolutely on you sp33, your work is really great, considering the material you are working which at best is 50 50 as you say, and ultimately that is what DRT wishes to say, no body knows, totally inconclusive. but worthy of more and more tests, except by independent lab sources. I certainly won't ask you what is your conclusion, as you are still working.

It was the panic attack by numbers and his squirming that fascinated us. He is already on record saying he would hesitate at the truth. He tried recently to dodge that. His words did not lie then. And he most certainly did try to redirect you to composting insteadd of image proportions. There was no mis understanding thereSP
Thank you for coming. and you are always always welcome here. I do not envy your shoes but I honestly wish you
Good luck
Sincerely


Addendum
@Springer,It is like quick sand , the more Didier and Dave L (numbers) move and wiggle. and banter, the more they sink themselves and everyone around them. It looks funny for men to wiggle so much I think No Yes?
As for Tomi, yes I have grown accustomed now, I just keep the bleach handy anyhow

[edit on 3-6-2008 by Sys_Config]

Originally posted by Sys_Config
reply to post by Sys_Config

ok, sys. thanks for clearing that up a bit.

and yes, honestly i was a little surprised by number's comment to look for evidence of compositing instead of perspective issues.
and i don't think he will mind me saying so. i've been completely up front with them with my feeling that even no one in the drt is above suspicion of hoax.

Originally posted by nfotech
If I wanted to damage your case I could make one phone call and your future media exposure would be over.

What are the details of your idle threat?


[edit on 3-6-2008 by onthefence55]

Originally posted by onthefence55

Originally posted by nfotech
If I wanted to damage your case I could make one phone call and your future media exposure would be over.

What are the details of your idle threat?


[edit on 3-6-2008 by onthefence55]

An idle threat is one not put into action, were I to act on it it would no longer be idle. I'm just trying to point out to your "spokesperson" that were I some kind of disinfo agent trying to hide the facts I could easily do so. Do you really think no one else has connections or the ability to climb upon the bully pulpit?

So far the DRT and this case has had a free ride in the media. An honest and full disclosure of the truth; the missing evidence, AWOL photographers, etc would not look good for the DRT. Sooner or later that day of truth is coming, attacking the people who support them will not delay it nor help thier case.

I think a full expose of the hoax and how the DRT, LMH and others enabled it would make a very interesting and compelling story.

I can't even begin to express to you how disappointed I am in her behavior and I've tried not to assume it represents a consensus among the DRT. I gave this case and the DRT an open mind and lobbied for them to be able to discuss it without being subjected to what I perceived at the time to be "attacks". I did my best to represent exactly what an "open mind" should be and because of it I was attacked by people on one side and now that I have analyzed the case and called it a hoax, I'm attacked by the other side.

It's funny how I have to be painted as a disinfo agent now rather than admit that I gave the case an honest and fair chance and found it to be a hoax. I must be attacked and quickly, right? If you can't see how biased her actions make the DRT look I don't know what to tell you, really. All I can say is hire a new PR rep and stop allowing Tomi to run around making the DRT look bad.

It would seem the drone proponents are every bit as biased, illogical and willing to bend the truth to fit an agenda as they accused the opposition of being. Tomi is fast making enemies where there were none and pushing people into action who would have left the DRT to stumble into a deep hole of its own making. I would find a new spokesperson and drop the pretense that the DRT represent the side of right in this. Tomi has made it abundantly clear to all what having an "open mind" represents to the DRT....

I'll say it again so they can get it right,

"Every single legitimate, credentialed expert I have discussed the "drones" with who has looked at these images has labeled them CGI, these drones only exist in computers, this CRAP is a HOAX."

I really agree with you there Springer....