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Originally posted by SwitchbladeNGC
The following link is to a thread I used on my forum, Military Power, which is about anything and everything military. I used it as a graphic example as to what can happen if you tell the wrong people too much. (Basically trying to keep all of the members following OPSEC)
WARNING: GRAPHIC AND NOT FOR EVERYONE
Originally posted by fritz
Sorry for being flippant, bit I guessed I missed the graphic post or something! Are you saying that those pics were GRAPHIC?
If so, you guys are easily traumatised. I've seen worse in Northern Ireland! Shame about the crew though.
Originally posted by h3akalee
Wembley do you have any combat experiance have you ever been involved with any operations using the challenger 2 ?
I ask you this due to the fact that you seem to be more in the know than those who have actually served in and alongside the said vehicles.
Statistic's and information on the internet mean very little at all but first hand experiance do.
Originally posted by stumason
can't really do much about an underneath penetration though, apart from bulking it up with more armour. That though will add to the weight beyond which is acceptable, so you have to make a trade off.
better intel and recce might help cut down incidents, but the AT mine or IED has been around for decades and if they haven't solved it by now, they probably won't.
Originally posted by Wembley
Sure you don't see RPG-29s in Iraq, and agreed equally that they wo;t go through the frontal armour of a Challenger II in any case.
My points is that RPGs can still go through side/rear/engine deck armour and that such tanks are certainly not invulnerable. And thinking they are is extremely dangerous.
Having said that, the Challenger II does appear to have a much better record in Iraq than the Abrams, but although I've seen an analysis of the Abrams which have been hit, I haven't seen anything on the Brit side. They're just too modest, I suppose
There is roughly 300 Chally 2's in Iraq, it may be less now. I know at the start of the war they sent 395 over.
Originally posted by BlackWidow23
Originally posted by Wembley
Sure you don't see RPG-29s in Iraq, and agreed equally that they wo;t go through the frontal armour of a Challenger II in any case.
My points is that RPGs can still go through side/rear/engine deck armour and that such tanks are certainly not invulnerable. And thinking they are is extremely dangerous.
Having said that, the Challenger II does appear to have a much better record in Iraq than the Abrams, but although I've seen an analysis of the Abrams which have been hit, I haven't seen anything on the Brit side. They're just too modest, I suppose
Whoa back up there...you must note, that although less chally-2s have been destroyed in iraq, there are WAY fewer chally-2s in Iraq in the first place. I dont think that you can call that a better record.
Originally posted by fritz
He also says that Newspapers are having a great debate about [the] systems being used against armour - linking them to a certain 3rd country.
Col Stratford-Wright states emphatically that 'that is Media speculation' as MOD has never confirmed or denied the use of a certain type of projectile.
The Colonel also confirms that the driver suffered serious injuries to his legs and another crewman had been lightly wounded in the ambush.
The following link is to a thread I used on my forum, Military Power, which is about anything and everything military. I used it as a graphic example as to what can happen if you tell the wrong people too much. (Basically trying to keep all of the members following OPSEC)
Originally posted by sy.gunson
OpsecNGC said:
The following link is to a thread I used on my forum, Military Power, which is about anything and everything military. I used it as a graphic example as to what can happen if you tell the wrong people too much. (Basically trying to keep all of the members following OPSEC)
... so by debunking the story of a an RPG danaging the tank we here at ATS have sent a message back to The Shia militia that the mine used on that tank works and we have also helped identify the major weak spots of the Chally2.
Good show old chaps.
Originally posted by fritz
Regarding your views on OPSEC OpsecNGC, pretty useless here on ATS/BTS because apart from a couple of guys like Paddy, mopst of us have no usefull info for any enemy - real or imagined.
Any info people like myself have, is [in my case] out of date and not 'current', as they say. Nothing I post within these pages can be of operational use to an enemy - real or imagined.
As Paddy said in his post above, everything a terrorist, guerilla, freedom fighter or insurgent wants, can be found, downloaded or purchased on the internet.
'Nuff said.