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Originally posted by Diplomat
How can you people sit around and talk about "secret" and "shadow" governments as if they are fact or something? There is no proof whatsoever of a "secret government." lol, I mean it's actually pretty funny that you people really buy this crap...
Originally posted by Diplomat
If there was proof of secret governments "going after people" then I am pretty sure that most people would know about it. There is no such thing as a shadow government and you cannot prove that there is...
Originally posted by EarthSister
jemblem62
The alien races can't directly give our governments certain information or technologies that we need to straighten things out here, because the governments will misuse them exclusively to the peril of all they leave behind in peril already.
The governments don't have the secrets from or about the aliens that many assume. A few humans, relatively, know a few things each. The more a human is known to know, the more danger that human is in here.
We don't see the work being done in private or how the education of human contactees is indirectly influencing the direction of production in their professions, even inside of government. When somebody comes up with a great idea that may have come from his contact with an advanced race, we don't have to know that it may have. And we don't have to change the minds in government- it's only made up of people, and people die and new ones come in.
Soon the alien races will show up for all. They are getting our race ready for it through willing, individual humans over generations. Eventually, enough things and people will be in place so that when first open contact happens, it will be more productive than only adding to the confusion or lending evidence to disinformation. But, it still won't be easy for us to accept as a world since our most influential world leaders will remain against it and continue to try to warp public perception.
Originally posted by ArMaP
Originally posted by Grey_Pilgrim
It often makes me wonder why too. Why do NASA seem to be uninterested in footage and photographs that have the UFO community so excited?
Judging by some of the reactions I have seen here on ATS, some members of the "UFO community" get excited with very little...
Originally posted by millerman
Well if we could PROVE that it exists - then it wouldn't be much of a "secret" government, would it?
Again, you obviously haven't done your homework and examined the available evidence that DOES exist. And if you haven't done your homework, there's NOTHING you can contribute to this discussion.
Get lost.
Originally posted by Dulcimer
There have been some great replies in this thread. Keep it up.
Oh and when I say government... I mean governments of the world. I am Canadian after all. It seems to be harder to dig up Canadian information on the subject.
Originally posted by millerman
Originally posted by jemblem62
well, basically nothing good has come from ET's visiting us except for people being killed over stuff like that and also any technology or information that could benefit everyone is kept secret. in a sense the govt is doing a great job at controlling everyone and forcing humanity into the dirt with a police state in the near future from this new brand of conservatism.
Right but there is no way they can maintain the secrecy forever...
All that needs to happen is for awareness of these issues to reach a "critical mass", to the point where people are talking about it amongst themselves on a daily basis, discussing it openly on TV and radio etc...
We're not quite there yet, but we've come a LONG way.
Like a few months ago I was in the car with a couple of coworkers, and out of the blue one of them just starts talking about Roswell and the whole UFO coverup, and I get talking with them and it turns out they've both been doing a lot of the same research as I, from the Disclosure Project etc.
Now something like that would NEVER have happened say five or ten years ago, so it was a very encouraging sign!
Also, consider this: maybe the fact that the US has to start preparing to implement a police state, means that they're SCARED. Scared that too many people are discovering the truth, and a REVOLUTION might begin!
Originally posted by Diplomat
If there was proof of secret governments "going after people" then I am pretty sure that most people would know about it. There is no such thing as a shadow government and you cannot prove that there is...
The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control.
JFK - April 27, 1961
Originally posted by millerman
I agree with tock and TeslaLyne
The shadow government is comprised of various wealthy families and cartels that, considered together, own/control pretty much all the major sources of power/influence in the world.
They control:
- The money supply (primarily the US dollar), via the international bankers
- Oil/fossil fuels and other natural resources
- The major governments and militaries of the world, by thoroughly infiltrating them and keeping them hopelessly in debt to the international bankers
- the permanent war machine, in other words, all the major research/technology/weapons corporations... what Eisenhower referred to as the Military-Industrial Complex
- the scientific community, again by infiltrating it and controlling its funding... so anyone who wants to research something that's a threat to the shadow government, like cold fusion or zero point energy, is heavily ridiculed, harassed and denied funding
- all the major mainstream media corporations - so that they can keep their existence a "secret"!
Granted I don't have any good links handy to back all that up, but the information and evidence is all over this site and others....
Originally posted by 137
Originally posted by Diplomat
If there was proof of secret governments "going after people" then I am pretty sure that most people would know about it. There is no such thing as a shadow government and you cannot prove that there is...
Most people dont care, thats why most people dont know about it.
This is the best piece of evidence i know of that shows there once was a shadow goverment and there probably still is one to date
The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control.
JFK - April 27, 1961
But something tells me he did not succeed in stopping this secrecy within the US goverment, as he got killed less then 2 years after giving this speech...
Makes you wonder doesnt it?
Narrative Description: United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) is a unified command with world-wide responsibilities to train, maintain and provide Special Operations Forces (SOF) in support of the contingency plans developed by the five regionally oriented unified commands; United States European Command (USEUCOM), United States Central Command (USCENTCOM), United States Pacific Command (USPACOM), United States Atlantic Command (USACOM) and United States Southern Command (USSOUTHCOM). When directed by the President, the Commander-In-Chief, Special Operations Command (CINCSOC) will assume command of a special operation anywhere in the world. USSOCOM'S Army forces include Special Forces, Rangers, short to medium-range infiltration/ exfiltration aircraft, Civil Affairs (CA) and Psychological Operations (PSYOPS) specialists. Navy forces consist of Sea, Air, Land Teams (SEALs) and Special Boat Units (SBUs). The Air Force special operations units provide medium to long range air infiltration/exfiltration aircraft, specially equipped gunships, and aerial refuel capability. USSOCOM also funds SOF mission costs specifically identified and measurable to Special Operations Commands located at USEUCOM, USCENTCOM, USPACOM, USACOM, USSOUTHCOM and Korea. USSOCOM is the only operational command within the Department of Defense directly responsible for determining its own force structure and related material requirements, procuring SOF unique equipment, and training and deploying its own units.
Originally posted by tock
Originally posted by millerman
I agree with tock and TeslaLyne
The shadow government is comprised of various wealthy families and cartels that, considered together, own/control pretty much all the major sources of power/influence in the world.
They control:
- The money supply (primarily the US dollar), via the international bankers
- Oil/fossil fuels and other natural resources
- The major governments and militaries of the world, by thoroughly infiltrating them and keeping them hopelessly in debt to the international bankers
- the permanent war machine, in other words, all the major research/technology/weapons corporations... what Eisenhower referred to as the Military-Industrial Complex
- the scientific community, again by infiltrating it and controlling its funding... so anyone who wants to research something that's a threat to the shadow government, like cold fusion or zero point energy, is heavily ridiculed, harassed and denied funding
- all the major mainstream media corporations - so that they can keep their existence a "secret"!
Granted I don't have any good links handy to back all that up, but the information and evidence is all over this site and others....
That pretty much sums it up. But, people won't believe this, because it would means destroying the very foundations their entire lives are build on.