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Originally posted by Nicotine1982
Who here is willing to pledge not to accept the National ID or True ID. How many american citizens on this site are NOT going to renew their Driver's licence after 2008? Be honest, I don't want to hear from a bunch of "part-time Patriots" who talkl about wanting to be free but won't sacrifice. How many people are TRULY willing to face the hardships that await us if we refuse the new ID? Who here is willing to stand up, and get up off of their knees, and REFUSE to be a slave? Who here can honestly say that they would face legal recourse for refusing to be tagged like cattle?
Only honest answers please, don't even bother saying anything here if you are not willing to sacrifice.
Originally posted by Infoholic
[The way the law is written, the ID is voluntary, however, the basis of it being voluntary falls on the shoulders of the states. The law makes it clear that the Secretary of Homeland Security has the final "say so" of whether or not another form of ID would be acceptable, as well as the final "say so" as to where the ID card will be necessary to gain entry. If you do not have this "ID" with you, and are required to show it at any given time, you will not be able to "prove" yourself an American Citizen.
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
I don't know how it can be considered "voluntary" when states like Texas and several others are already making preparations for it.
(a) MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR FEDERAL USE.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Beginning 3 years after the date of the
enactment of this division, a Federal agency may not accept,
for any official purpose, a driver’s license or identification card
issued by a State to any person unless the State is meeting
the requirements of this section.
source
(3) OFFICIAL PURPOSE.—The term ‘‘official purpose’’ includes
but is not limited to accessing Federal facilities, boarding federally
regulated commercial aircraft, entering nuclear power
plants, and any other purposes that the Secretary shall determine.
SEC. 204. GRANTS TO STATES.
(a) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary may make grants to a State
to assist the State in conforming to the minimum standards set
forth in this title.
source
Originally posted by Infoholic
Either way, speaker... are you going to accept the National ID Card, as Nicotine asked?
[edit on 1/31/2007 by Infoholic]
I don't know how it can be considered "voluntary" when states like Texas and several others are already making preparations for it. I certainly do not intend to get one.
Originally posted by SkepticBeliever
Perhaps it's merely a way of looking into the lives of those who wish to remain hidden, by seperating them from the sheep, so to speak.
Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
Call me slow, but what exactly are we talking about? What will be different about driver's licenses after 2008? I'm a shmo in a suburban town with no access to public transportation; I need a license. I don't have the fortitude to go around unemployed, uninsured, putting holes in random people for food and gas, and squatting out in the forest somewhere.
Mad Max isn't a way of life, it's a movie.
Originally posted by Jessicamsa
From what I've been reading, the national id card will have spychip in it that can track your movement.
Originally posted by citizen smith
Originally posted by Jessicamsa
From what I've been reading, the national id card will have spychip in it that can track your movement.
There are two options...either invest in a 'faraday-cage-wallet' to block transponder signals to the RFID chip or involve the card in a 'microwave-oven accident' for about 10seconds at full-power
Originally posted by Lexion
Ya'll want to live in the woods ? Great, have at it.
I prefer to live in, and offer/accept the services of society.
You want to be a "rebel", you want to be the "cool kid" ?
Have at it. If I catch you stealing my toilet paper, you're going to wish
you had that ID.
Now. If you want to live among civilized people that think having an ID
(gee had the SS cards and driver licenses for what ? 40-50 years?)
will mean the loss of freedom, you are either hiding something, or are so
paranoid, that a proffessional might be in order.