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Originally posted by snoopyuk
even if you take into account the rise in the number of aircraft flying compared with say ten years ago.....
do you not find it strange that sights like that of your picture are now common place and that before 10 years ago it wasn't a commonplace sight and contrails didn't hang around for hours and spread out into big sheets of cloud.
is it poss. that the atmosphere has changed and that is why they now behave like they do ? i.e.. in composition or temps or poss. pollution.
You must not have looked very hard.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Originally posted by selfless
Obviously most of us here on ATS knows that we are being sprayed by chemtrails right?
I keep hearing this, but I don't have any proof, nor has anyone presented any here of which I am aware.
[edit on 2006/10/7 by GradyPhilpott]
Okay.. I don't know how I can get any more official than a proposed bill on a government website.
thomas.loc.gov...:chemtrails
Space Preservation Act of 2001 (Introduced in House)
HR 2977 IH
quote: H. R. 2977
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.
SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.
(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--
(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;
(ii) chemtrails;
(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;
(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;
(v) laser weapons systems;
(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and
(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.
(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.
Originally posted by selfless
Can someone explain to me why a none commercial jet in the sky does not show contrail whatsoever and then out of no where release a big trail of smoke and then stop releasing it and that trail of smoke turns into a big layer of cloud that lasts all day long.
Meanwhile there is a comercial jet near by that release a constant flow of contrail that dissapate a few seconds after it's released and does not interact with the atmosphere the same way the previous plane's smoke did?
This happens all the time, logicaly i would think that all planes at the same altitude would release the same type of contrails but they do not.
Because our debate thread was between just the two of us and was locked once a decision was made. There was no way for them to post there.
Originally posted by selfless
Piztonzor, afermative reaction, iblis,
Why have you guys not posted on here insted?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Obviously that thread is more suited for you guys, i have no idea why you come on this thread insted of that debate thread, well actually i do have an idea why but i will get a warning again if i say it.
Originally posted by Essan
Indeed, this would be a possible way to prove chemtrails - if you could show that 2 aircraft flew the same trajectory through the same air at the same altitude only a short time apart and that one produced a persistent contrail and the other did not.
Originally posted by NephraTari
Because our debate thread was between just the two of us and was locked once a decision was made. There was no way for them to post there.
Originally posted by selfless
Piztonzor, afermative reaction, iblis,
Why have you guys not posted on here insted?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Obviously that thread is more suited for you guys, i have no idea why you come on this thread insted of that debate thread, well actually i do have an idea why but i will get a warning again if i say it.
Originally posted by Iblis
Please do not introduce outside arguments to your own thread, Selfless.
We're not here to debate UFO's, and doing so will have the thread locked.
Originally posted by selfless
Can someone explain to me why a none (A what? –HR) commercial jet in the sky does not show contrail whatsoever and then out of no where release a big trail of smoke and then stop releasing it and that trail of smoke turns into a big layer of cloud that lasts all day long. Meanwhile there is a comercial jet near by that release a constant flow of contrail that dissapate a few seconds after it's released and does not interact with the atmosphere the same way the previous plane's smoke did?
Originally posted by selfless
This happens all the time, logicaly i would think that all planes at the same altitude would release the same type of contrails but they do not.
Cirrus clouds develop in the upper troposphere at low temperatures of below -30°C and a relative humidity of over 100%. The clouds-of-ice-particles form in ice-supersaturated regions that are about 150 kilometers times 0.5 kilometers in horizontal and vertical extension, respectively.
ISSR's horizontal sizes and vertical extensions are Weibull distributed. The horizontal sizes are pathlengths from the MOZAIC data. Since shapes of ISSRs are not known, and since MOZAIC aircraft cross ISSRs in a random manner, the pathlength distribution might not be very relevant for the true size distribution of ISSRs. When we assume that all ISSRs have circular shape, we can try to determine a true size distribution from the measured pathlength distribution. However, there is a serious sampling bias: Since the aircraft trajectories are random in the field of ISSRs, it is much more probable that a large ISSR is crossed by a certain trajectory than that a small one is crossed. This selection bias leads to a surprising result: whereas the mean pathlength is 150 km, the average true horizontal size could be as small as 6 km. That is, there might be very many small ISSRs around that however are never crossed by an aircraft since they are too small; only the larger ones are crossed and therefore counted in the statistics.
Originally posted by NephraTari
You must not have looked very hard.
Right here at ATS we had a debate about this and I won the debate in the end with hard proof that they exist via a bill proposed that listed them as an exotic weapon.
Originally posted by Essan
Indeed, this would be a possible way to prove chemtrails - if you could show that 2 aircraft flew the same trajectory through the same air at the same altitude only a short time apart and that one produced a persistent contrail and the other did not.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Not necessarily. Both planes would need to be identical, not only would they need to have the same engines, but they would have to be identical in terms of tuning and performance.
Originally posted by Iblis
Selfless, I'm going to re-direct you to the reply of the moderator you'd wanted so-badly to come visit this thread.
I'll let my reply be what he said to you.