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Originally posted by thesneakiod
I believe we should. If the USA want to dictate to other countries about their goings
on the far side of the world, so should we all.
If the USA wants to attack another country that might put the world in danger, then we
all have to decide if its the best outcome by someone who represents the world and not
just their own turf.
I suppose its sounds like im talking about the NWO but im not.
Just a leader of the free world that the world has actually picked.
Originally posted by CreeWolf
Ummmm, YEAH! Right! Could you imagine how Al Qaida and Hammas would vote? Next thing you know, we got another dumbass like Clinton or Carter in there again!
Beats anything you could possibly come up with because at least it was our choice. And that my friend is what this country is all about. Even the people who didn't vote made their choice how ever much I might disagree.
Originally posted by thesneakiod
Originally posted by CreeWolf
Ummmm, YEAH! Right! Could you imagine how Al Qaida and Hammas would vote? Next thing you know, we got another dumbass like Clinton or Carter in there again!
Yeah cos you have got a real winner in bush haven't you
Originally posted by The Vagabond
You accuse America of starting wars that place the world in danger, yet in a round about way, you have proposed starting a war.
Nations are of course governed according to their own interests. When these interests clash and a compromise cannot be reached, nations go to war.
What you propose is that American interests be checked in a hard and fast way (as opposed to through diplomacy). Your proposal therefore lays the groundwork for a war.
I have a different suggestion.
First: Realize that war is a sometimes unavoidable result of conditions in this world. Millenia of politics, philosophy, religion, and wars to end all wars have been unable to change this fact. Plato, Jesus, Ghandi, Nobel, Einstein, etc etc etc: centuries of great men in every discipline that man can learn have been completely unable to devise a way to stop war; some of them didn't even see fit to try.
Next: Consider your own fault in the matter. Even while foreign governments condemn America for this that and the other for the benefit of their people, those governments are encouraging and enabling us behind the scenes. The lives that every single one of us choose to lead have necessitated war as we know it. As I said at first, war is a fact of life. We could eliminate some causes, change the nature of wars, etc: with a lot of work we could reduce warfare to such a small scale that it would only be regarded as localized outbreaks of violent crime rather than actual war. To do that however, we would have to change, and people, even the biggest peaceniks, seem to be unwilling to do that. You can't wake up and put on your Chinese-made clothes, drink your Ethiopian or Columbian-grown coffee, hop in your South Korean KIA, drive to the gas station and fill up on Middle Eastern oil, etc etc etc and claim not to have any part in the conflicts involving those nations/regions.
You created the profit motive for the war in Iraq which scared the hell out of Iran, which made them go looking for weapons, which they got from the Chinese, who had the money to build the weapons in the first place because you bought sweatshop products.
You supported the land-owning aristocracy in East Africa who grow luxuries for exports while their people starve, and those people took that money and used part of it to back their favorite warlord in a neighboring country, so that they'd have access to a certain port or road or market etc. So guess what, you're a part of the problem in Somalia!
I don't care if you're from Switzerland; just because your government let America do the dirty work doesn't mean there's no blood on your hands.
And that brings us to the last thing I suggest in lieu of fighting a war to end all wars against America: DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. If your government commits forces to a war you don't approve of, don't pay your taxes: make them throw you in jail, then not only are you not funding the war effort but you're taking money away from it via the prison system.
If you're not comfortable going to jail, boycott whatever the war is being fought over: stop buying plastics and start riding a bike instead of driving- do your part to take away the demand for oil.
If you're not comfortable riding a bike, consider giving a few dollars to some organization which is doing its part: maybe a amnesty international, maybe the red cross or red crescent, maybe a political party that's worked for peace in a substantial way.
If you're not comfortable giving away the change from under your sofa... well then just shut up.
But hey, I've been wrong before. Maybe you all should attack us and try to demand a say in our government. Do me a favor though: drop by and have some coffee with me and give me a chance to take a dislike to you before we start this war. If I'm gonna have to shoot at someone, first I want to at least make sure I don't like them.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Its called isolationism, and it works.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Its called isolationism, and it works.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Its called isolationism, and it works.
To a certain degree however I'm not for total isolations, it's a big world out there and we cant afford to hunker down, we have places to, people to see, things to do. Get my drift?
[edit on 1-9-2006 by WestPoint23]
Originally posted by thesneakiod
Phew! To say ive touched a nerve is an understatement And of course ive got to disagree. When your country starts an illegal war that all the major armies
HAVE to get involved in, it does become our business whether you believe that or not.
When you have a president who wants to rid the world of nuclear capabillities(but not
from the countries he likes)while at the same time hoarding the biggest arsenal
in the world, the country who by the way have been the only ones to ever use a nuclear
bomb in a war, not once but twice, it becomes a problem for all of us. So we should all choose who is in control of that power.
Its simple, if you make decisions for the world, the world should decide if that person
is the right man to make them. Not just a quarter of the population who actually felt
like voting.