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Originally posted by elitegamer23
if it ever got to the point where the humans on the planet were controlled by a police state or police type UN , i think it would take 100s of years for us humans to overthrow such a world goverment.
LETS DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEFORE IT HAPPENS.
[edit on 20-8-2006 by elitegamer23]
Originally posted by Majic
Politics Without Activism
However, I'm exploring ways we can allow and even encourage certain kinds of activism on ATS -- though I still want to make sure we're careful to avoid having outside entities gather personal information from our members.
Both ATS and PTS are neutral on the issues, but I think there has been a pent-up demand for the ability of members (and heck, even politicians) to advocate and campaign for various causes in our community.
We may not end up doing it, but I thought I would mention that I'm interested in the possibility of doing it.
Originally posted by elitegamer23
we need more cops and less guns in the hands of the people. imagine if we had a camera on every corner and every alley in american cities . it would be a great deterent. if the goverment could wire tap everyone we would have less crime. jsut build more prisons. its cheaper then wellfare. crime in america is on the rise. remember us americans want saftey more then education and a clean planet. we need a bigger brother watching us.
Originally posted by elitegamer23
considering the uk has stopped four terrorist attacks since 7/7 they must know what they are doing. Its no secret that big brother is more attentive in the uk , and they more closely resemble a police state. so i now ask, would it be better for the usa to move towards more control by our goverment and the law. maybe a patriot act 3.[edit on 13-8-2006 by elitegamer23]
there is no Patriot Act II
Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
there is no Patriot Act II
No - but there is something just as bad (you honestly didn't expect the Republicans to use the same "Patriot" Language - did you?)! Its called the "Military Commissions Act of 2006". It was passed by the Congress & Bush just signed it into Law. Here it is:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
First, I'm not in favor of a police state.
There are a number of laws that are common other countries, that I wonder how Americans would feel about them. . . .
-when you turn 18, you either go into the military for two years, or you join the police auxiliary. You assist the police in crowd control, traffic tickets, ID checkpoints etc. (Germany, Switzerland, a number of other nations have a set-up like this)
-you're allowed to own any firearms you can legally buy; but you have to let the govt have a spent round they've fired through your gun. That way, when a bullet is found at a crime scene, the police can narrow down the search quickly. (proposed legislation in NY)
-when you move into a house or apartment, you must inform the local chief of police. (many european states have this.)
-outside your home, you are expected to have national ID with you. When you get a hotel room, you have to provide positive ID.
-to enter the downtown, you have to show ID. Common in Israel, as well as many Arab countries. Designed to reduce terrorism.
-random highway checkpoints. (practically every nation on earth EXCEPT the USA has some form of this)
What about those? Are there some that could be instituted, without precipitating a "police state?" Would any of them be worth the effort???
all the best.
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Originally posted by SmallMindsBigIdeas
And yes we do need more prisons. When our prisons are so crowded that someone who has stabbed another person does about a year before getting out on parole ... then there is a problem. If we can't rehabilitate the criminals than I would rather they be locked away for reasonable amounts of time.
The Military Commissions Act bears absolutely no resemblance to PA II which was draft legislation.
Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
The Military Commissions Act bears absolutely no resemblance to PA II which was draft legislation.
OK - In Patriot Act "I" - the thing that offends me the most is the fact that the Federal Government (or any manner of Police) can now search your Private Residence merely on "Suspicion" & WITHOUT a Search Warrant to boot!
So what is so bad about the "Military Commissions Act"? They have Suspended "HABEAS CORPUS"! Do you realize what this means? ! It doesn't even matter if you are an U.S. Citizen! That is the very DEFINITION of Fascism my friend!
The Government has to merely "Suspect" that you are a "Terrorist" or involved with "Terrorist Activities" & they can throw you in Prison FOREVER - *Without giving you a Trial*
the suspect must be an ALIEN unlawful enemy combatant.
The Act does NOT apply to US Citizens... it applies to non-US citizens
Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Oh Yeah - well then PROVE it.
Has it occurred to you that even an U.S. Citizen could (and HAS already been BTW) be declared an "Unlawful Enemy Combatant"? Look up the Definition of "Unlawful Enemy Combatant" as it appears in the Military Commissions Act itself - here it is:
"The term "unlawful enemy combatant" means: (i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who is part of the Taliban, al-Qaeda, or associated forces); or (ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the president or the secretary of defense."
Notice that it says a "PERSON" & not an Alien!
Oh yeah - if you are correct then please explain the case of Jose Padilla to us. Don't get me wrong Jose Padilla is def a bad guy - but that does not negate the fact that he is STILL an U.S. Citizen - NOT an Alien!