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Originally posted by Xeros
You obviously don't know the meaning of compassion. It might help to study Bhuddism. Seriously.
Originally posted by Brian Nowhere
To even consider the idea that these children would be valuable
assets to our efforts if we treated them with kindness, and realized that
these innocent children have been born into chaos, and really can not be
held accountable for doing what they were raised to do, would require an ounce of compassion on the noecons part.
Originally posted by jsobecky
I'll tell you why - because they hope we will overlook the children, and then they could kill more of us. And because it saves the terrorist's yellow butts if they are not the ones getting shot at. Send a boy to do a man's job. It's their fault!
Originally posted by jsobecky
Tell the people that are recruiting them to show compassion. Tell them not to arm them or teach them how to kill.
I don't see the US sending 12 year-olds into battle. Why does the enemey do it? Ask them that.
I'll tell you why - because they hope we will overlook the children, and then they could kill more of us. And because it saves the terrorist's yellow butts if they are not the ones getting shot at. Send a boy to do a man's job. It's their fault!
Originally posted by niteboy82
Then we should be helping these kids. It is obvious to me that what they go through to become "terrorist fighters" is simply no better than brainwashing. Why can't we help them.
Female interrogators tried to break Muslim detainees at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo Bay by sexual touching, wearing a miniskirt and thong underwear and in one case, smearing a Saudi man’s face with fake menstrual blood, according to an insider’s written account.
A draft manuscript obtained by The Associated Press is classified as secret; pending a Pentagon review for a planned book that details ways the U.S. military used women as part of tougher physical and psychological interrogation tactics to get terror suspects to talk.
Allegations that Australian detainees have been tortured must be investigated.
Have Australian Guantanamo Bay detainees David Hicks and Mamdouh Habib been abused by their American captors? On May 16, Prime Minister John Howard rejected the abuse allegations. He said Australia's consul-general in Washington, Derek Tucker, had visited the pair and was satisfied that they had not been treated unacceptably. Since then, however, the allegations of mistreatment have intensified.
Late last week the US State Department said its officials were working with the Pentagon to provide a "full and appropriate response" to reports that both men have been beaten since their capture. A witness says he saw Hicks being beaten after his seizure in Afghanistan.
The allegations regarding Habib are more grave. Former British detainee Tarek Degoul claims Habib was beaten, dragged by chains and photographed naked. Habib's lawyer, Steven Watt, said last week he feared for his client's mental state. "In the beginning he was sending numerous letters back to his wife and family and they haven't heard from him in a very, very long time and that in itself suggests something untoward has happened to him."
Originally posted by jsobecky
Because by the age 14 they are too far gone. Did you ever hear the Jesuit saying,
"Give me a child until the age 7, and he is mine for life" or words to that effect?
All we can do at this point is to hope that the ones that can learn, will learn.
The children have been kept separate from the 700 adults being held at the camp, located on the southern Cuban coast.
They have been held with no access to a lawyer or understanding of what will happen to them, our correspondent adds.
But the children have been given access to games, even videos, as well as an extensive education programme.
This has led to the belief that they can be rehabilitated.
BBC 2003
Very few countries make information available on the issue of kids behind bars. It isn’t that the information is hard to find but that most authorities are not forthcoming. The most widely accepted estimate, which was made four years ago now, is that the number of children in prison is around one million
---Geert Cappelaere, 2005
A Global Report into Children in Prison
Originally posted by Liberal1984
Any terrorist who could kill you would be doing gods work. Because even if there is no God they will be leaving the world a richer place.
In September 2002, Canadian officials reported that a 15-year-old Canadian had been captured on July 27 after being badly wounded in a firefight in eastern Afghanistan. Canada's prime minister, Jean Chrétien said he was seeking consular access to the boy.
Last week, Toronto's Globe and Mail newspaper reported that the youth, now 16, is being held in Guantanamo and that US officials have refused access to Canadian officials.
The newspaper quoted unidentified sources as saying that the youth allegedly threw a grenade that killed Sergeant 1st Class Christopher James Speer, 28, of Albuquerque, New Mexico.
The Globe and Mail said US officials would want to interrogate the Canadian because his father has been identified as a senior financial leader of al-Qaida.
[url= www.commondreams.org.../headlines03/0423-09.htm] Guardian 2003 [/url)
Originally posted by niteboy82
Where did our compassion goes as humans before nationalists if we condone the abuse of 14-year-old kids?
People who endorse the maltreatment of children belong in hell.
Originally posted by niteboy82
Give me a break, you can't flip flop.
it is concerned Taleban or al-Qaida sympathizers may threaten their safety That is why defense officials have not announced their names or issued any details on their release. VOA 2004
Originally posted by niteboy82 The arguement that something should be done has so far at least held their position. Your position has flip-flopped. So children elsewhere have it worse, that is not the issue here.
"I want to go to America."
Many experts say that international laws, including the Geneva Conventions, require that child prisoners be separated from adults and receive education, Time said, adding that US federal law has similar requirements.
While US law defines those younger that 18 as juveniles, the Pentagon classifies as juveniles those under 16, the magazine said. AFP 2006
Article 1
For the purposes of the present Convention, a child means every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier.
Convention on the Rights of the Child
Originally posted by missed_gear
Perhaps lines are not as clear as one may want or need them to be.
Originally posted by Bikereddie
So a 30 year old male with a rifle and a 14 year old with a rifle, who are both aiming at you, to kill you makes a difference? The 30 year old male deserves punishment or shooting, but the 14 year old who is doing exactly the same , deserves compassion?
Get real here. If he is old enough to shoot our troops, then he is old enough to be shot back at, or detained.
Forget the child ideologies. They know what they are doing.
The difference is?, there is no difference if you pick up a rifle and shoot.
Originally posted by Shots
Also since when is there an age limit for POW camps? I have never heard of one.
Originally posted by Shots
For the rest of you I think you are all over reacting since there is nothing in the Geneva convention regarding the housing of minors as prisoners of war at least not that I can find]