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Originally posted by Jakomo
They cannot be held according to ANY law. They are not illegal combatants, they are Prisoners of War.
How can they be pows when no nation sent them in the first place without the sanction of the govt. Not to mention they do not wear any uniforms to represent of that nation.
Originally posted by rich23
If any of the pro-torture people on this thread can give ONE example of good intelligence coming out of torture, JUST ONE, I'm all ears.
Doubt it, though.
You seem to make a lot of these silly ASSumptions, such as the fact that no intel is coming out of these detention facilities. Do you work at any of these camps? I dont, so how am I supposed to know if anything is. I doubt the army will publish intellingence findings in the news
Originally posted by Jakomo
The INSTANT they got one single thing they could use, they would be proclaimingit from the top of every mountain.
“WE HAVE GOOD INTELLIGENCE!!!!!”
And they would parade it in front of the media and they would try desperately to show that anything they have been doing has worked. They would be happy to show the public that the millions of taxpayer dollars have done anything, instead of their standard “we have intercepted chatter”.
Nice try though.
Torture doesn’t work. Ask a torturer or a torturee. Ask John McCain.
Does stress position, sleep and sensory deprivation qualify as torture in your opinion?
Originally posted by Jakomo
ludachris:
Does stress position, sleep and sensory deprivation qualify as torture in your opinion?
I would say yes. Stress position? How about I make you kneel on a metal bar for 10 hours while I have a guard behind you ready to crack you in the skull the instant you shift position? Torture.
Originally posted by ludaChris
No harm no foul, these guys will be in great shape when they get out of Camp Delta, I will say that.
Originally posted by yanchek
Originally posted by ludaChris
No harm no foul, these guys will be in great shape when they get out of Camp Delta, I will say that.
Oh yeah!
I totally agree here. You toughen them up real good. If they took this abuse for 4 years they can take anything you throw toward them.
Rock solid Allah worshiper with a chip on his shoulder. Excellent job.
Maybe I should be more clear. The point is, is that causeing physical exhaustion does not qualify as torture.
Exhaustion and stress can go a long way in getting intel from an enemy combatant. Furthermore, my personal belief is that is that this isnt torture.
As I've said before in this thread, playing footbal in highschool, when we had 2 a days in the mid 90's to 100 degree heat was much tougher than what these guys deal with. … For around 6 hours a day during the summer(and in regular practices during the season) we were taking punishment, the heat of summer, and physical exhaustion, I lived through that. Would you call those practices torture too? We did much more than standing in a stress postion all day. They were hell to me but I lived.