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everything we know is from the hadith
lol i meant dajaal, was just being liberal and giving a 'inter faith dialogue' feel to the post lol
Originally posted by geek101
thats intersting what you wrote about the antichrist having one eye, because this is what "djall" (muslim antichrist) is supposed to have (according to hadith)
took me a while to think about it but that does raise a good point. Does the Qur'an actually say he is the last prophet forever? or so far? And what will Jesus be when he comes back? a prophet/saviour or something else?
What i meant by that comment, is that muslims believe that Muhammad (Pbuh) was the last prophet. So if Jesus (pbuh) was to come back to earth, that would make HIM the last prophet, thereby contradicting one of the core tenets of islamic faith.
sal88 wrote:
lol i meant dajaal, was just being liberal and giving a 'inter faith dialogue' feel to the post lol
sal88 wrote:
took me a while to think about it but that does raise a good point. Does the Qur'an actually say he is the last prophet forever? or so far? And what will Jesus be when he comes back? a prophet/saviour or something else?
Originally posted by geek101
Muslims place way too much emphasis on a collection of writings which were compiled at least 150 years after the death of Muhammad (Pbuh)
For those who do believe in this, how do you satisfy your assumption that Jesus will come down, even though you know Muhammad was the last prophet?
This to me, smacks of christianity (no offence to christians). THat we are ultimately relying on a saviour to get rid of the evil in this world, has got to be one of the saddest things.
and so him coming back would be a contradiction to Muhammad being the "khatm" of Prophets
Nygdan wrote
When was the first koran known to be compiled anyways?
Nygdan wrote
Why is the standard answer, that jesus didn't die, he was merely whisked away, not satisfactory?
Nygdan wrote:
Isn't there a tradition that every century there is a reformer that will come about to get rid of all the innovations and additions that have been put into the religion? Perhaps this is only amoung the Shia
Nygdan wrote:
How? Because he comes back temporarly after him? Mo would still be the Final word on prophecy though no?
Originally posted by geek101
Because in the Quran, the arabic word used is a derivative of the root word "wafat", which means "death"
quote: everything we know is from the hadith
and hence lies the problem. There IS no mahdi, coming to save muslims. Jesus (pbuh) is not coming back as our saviour.
There is no mention of this at all in the Quran, and i think that if something as huge as this was going to happen, it would be in there.
Muslims place way too much emphasis on a collection of writings which were compiled at least 150 years after the death of Muhammad (Pbuh)
For those who do believe in this, how do you satisfy your assumption that Jesus will come down, even though you know Muhammad was the last prophet?
This to me, smacks of christianity (no offence to christians). THat we are ultimately relying on a saviour to get rid of the evil in this world, has got to be one of the saddest things. Maybe we should start trying ourselves?
The prophet Mohammad said: "The earth shall be filled with injustice, and when it is filled, Allah will send a man from me ( my lineage ), his name is like mine, his father's name is like my father's ( Abdullah) , and he shall fill it (the earth) with justice as it was filled with injustice, and thus the sky shall hold back no rain, and the earth shall hold back no plant, he shall stay among you seven, or eight, or for the most, nine."
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"Three shall fight over your teasures (the artifacts inside al-ka'bah) all three of them are sons of the kalifa -or caliph-, and it will be for none of them, it is then that black banners - or flags- shall appear from the east and they will murder you like no people have been murdered before... [ Narrator: then he mentioned something I cannot remember] ... and if you meet him ( Al Mahdi ) then make him swear the oath ( of becoming you leader) even if it will take to crawl on ice."
(forgive the inaccuracy of my translation in the last statement)
An interesting question would be what happens if islamic jesus comes back and trys to change things away from what Mo said.
i think the Qur'an was compiled a number of years after Muhammad's death.
Originally posted by Nakash
My view: This Mahdi figure of Islam is too similar to Daniel's Son of Perdition (ie: Revelation's Beast from the sea). Just way too similar.
www.answering-islam.org...
I'd keep an eye on ANYBODY claiming to be a Messianic figure from God at this moment. Anybody. These are dangerous times (I myself have no fear, but I fear for others.)
The mathematical "miracle" of the Quran. That's a hoax. You can find patterns everywhere, from Mobdy Dick to the Torah. I'm not too much a fan of these attempts to find hidden meanings in religious works while ignoring the explicit ones.