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Originally posted by dunwichwitch
It's funny how the scientific method seems to get thrown out the window by so many scientists, and therefore people who read a lot and use cold logic can come on here and pretend to be an expert.
so when they find something that seems out of place with that indoctrination, it seems that there is a struggle for a little while, and then eventually one fact gets replaced by another fact, which again gets replaced by another, then another, then another.... so what is a fact, if the facts are always changing?
Originally posted by AmmonSeth
As far as actual civilization goes (not counting ancient times when humans had not properly evolved)
if memory serves, it is between 6,000 and 7,000 years old
Originally posted by invisiblewoman
Originally posted by AmmonSeth
As far as actual civilization goes (not counting ancient times when humans had not properly evolved)
if memory serves, it is between 6,000 and 7,000 years old
Here you go Gobelki Tepe 13,500 years old !
this is OLD
yep you're reading that right TWICE as old as the civilizations you mentioned.Are there older ones? Probably,wonder what those will be like ?
Originally posted by Pericle
We are not the first or the last to be "civilized". We are a very primitive civilization from a holistic point of view.
Originally posted by PericleNow before us there were many, many other civilizations. Many more advanced than us. But all had something in common. They lacked spiritual development.
Originally posted by PericleAtlantis/Lemuria are miths, so will New York, America become if we continue with ignorace.
Originally posted by Pericle
The sad part is that anything we discovered as a sign of prehistoric civilization was ignored and discarded to fit our paradigm and ideas of the reality in which we live.
Originally posted by Pericle
reply to post by Harte
I see your position on this issue. Sumerian, yes, the first known civilization, not the first to exist. If you study Sumerian texts, history and many other parts of their culture you will find these things:
1. All they knew was given to them by the so called "Gods who came from above".
2. The Bible's ten commandments and other parts are almost identical to some Sumerian texts.
Originally posted by Pericle
3. They talk about other civilizations.
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Originally posted by PericleAtlantis and Lemuria, yes they vanished 12.000 years ago, because of greed and conflicts. Not the first time they had such a bad time, but the last one ended their society entirely.
Originally posted by PericleAll myths, right, they never existed. Just like Jeasus, prove me he existed.
Originally posted by PericleThere is enough evidence to make them probable and possible.
Originally posted by Pericle There is no evidence to make them impossible, just human ignorace.
Originally posted by PericleI wont get into details, but what I would like to underline is that many people such as you are biased towards one direction, such civilizations could not possibly have existed and thus any evidence no matter the size will become irrelevant. Just like UFOs.
Originally posted by Pericle
Ignoring reality in order to keep your illusion of life is a common occurance in human behaviour. Need examples?
Now before us there were many, many other civilizations. Many more advanced than us.
The sad part is that anything we discovered as a sign of prehistoric civilization was ignored and discarded to fit our paradigm and ideas of the reality in which we live.
I see your position on this issue. Sumerian, yes, the first known civilization, not the first to exist.
1. All they knew was given to them by the so called "Gods who came from above".
2. The Bible's ten commandments and other parts are almost identical to some Sumerian texts.
3. They talk about other civilizations.
Atlantis and Lemuria, yes they vanished 12.000 years ago, because of greed and conflicts.
Then there are these new theories saying the pyramid/sphix are more than 10.000 years old. Hmm maybe Atlantis people made them, there are plenty of books saying that.
I wont get into details, but what I would like to underline is that many people such as you are biased towards one direction, such civilizations could not possibly have existed and thus any evidence no matter the size will become irrelevant.
Let me begin by observing first of all, that nine thousand was the sum of years which had elapsed since the war which was said to have taken place between those who dwelt outside the Pillars of Heracles and all who dwelt within them; this war I am going to describe. Of the combatants on the one side, the city of Athens was reported to have been the leader and to have fought out the war; the combatants on the other side were commanded by the kings of Atlantis, which, as was saying, was an island greater in extent than Libya and Asia, and when afterwards sunk by an earthquake, became an impassable barrier of mud to voyagers sailing from hence to any part of the ocean.
Originally posted by Pericle
I think common sense would tell you that it is wrong to assume that if we have no data (although there is) to prove (here eveyone is subjective, what might seem enough for me is nothing for another) the existence of Atlantis/Lemuria then we discard any possibilities of pre-historic civilizations.
The pyramids, which can be found in all parts of the world, from America to Africa and Asia are just one evidence of a common culture which was spread all aroud the world.
Here is an text from Plato on Atlantis:
Let me begin by observing first of all, that nine thousand was the sum of years which had elapsed since the war which was said to have taken place between those who dwelt outside the Pillars of Heracles and all who dwelt within them; this war I am going to describe. Of the combatants on the one side, the city of Athens was reported to have been the leader and to have fought out the war; the combatants on the other side were commanded by the kings of Atlantis, which, as was saying, was an island greater in extent than Libya and Asia, and when afterwards sunk by an earthquake, became an impassable barrier of mud to voyagers sailing from hence to any part of the ocean.
He talks about two sides fighting, one of them being the "Kings of Atlantis". Their island as big as a continent "Libya and Asia", was sunk by an earthquake. This might as well be a result of the war. And as a result of its destruction voyagers were unable to cross those lands anymore with their ships to any part of the ocean.
This mean that there were people able to navigate 12.000 years ago to any part of the World Ocean, which in prehistory was called the Atlantis. Now I ask you if such capabilities existed 12.000 years ago, it is wrong to think a civilization, highly advanced civilization, existed?
Now we have 2 choises, we either think Platos writing is pure fantasy and inventions and we drop any further enquiry, or we analize the data (fact) and seeks further proofs. I am on the second side.
Also how do you explain people living on all continents having similar ideas/cultures (like the pyramids) but unable to make a ship and travel between the continents? How could man exist on all continents if he only evolved in one place and he was only able do develop a "civilization" in the last 3-4000 years?
Originally posted by Byrd
So.. on the average... about 6,000 BC is when the great civilizations started to rise.
One of the criteria a culture must meet to be considered a civilization is that of a written language. Sumerian Cuneiform tablets represent the earliest written language anyone has found to date. Thus by default they are the earliest known.