need some info first ever torpedo

i was watching this documentry`(what The Ancients Did For Us programme)
its first one was Muslim contribution to the western world

it showed the first ever torpedo

bbc

i am having trouble finding more info on it
so i wanted to know if anyone could help me find some info

Question: designed the first ever torpedo implies what?
An explosive charge placed/strapped to a stick and used against underwater hulls, or the first actual locomotive/self-propelled torpedo?





seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
Question: designed the first ever torpedo implies what?
An explosive charge placed/strapped to a stick and used against underwater hulls, or the first actual locomotive/self-propelled torpedo?
seekerof

well it was self propelled and it was used to blow up a boat ( if u look at the link the explosion is in the image on the right )
it used a explosive charge to blow the boat





[edit on 11-10-2005 by bodrul]

Let me do some digging on campus cause the only thing I am finding is that the first locomotive/self-propelled torpedo was made in 1880 or a little earlier.





seekerof

The first design / use of the `modern` torpedo was in 1860 by Ivan Lupis-Vukić . he built the Minenschiff which was inducted into Imperial service of the Austro-Hungarian Navy in 1866.

In 1870 and improved version , which had a range of 1,000 yards at a speed of 6 knots was inducted into service. By 1881 They were exporting torpedo`s to 10 other countries including the United States of America

i dink this is wat BBC meant about a torpedo as not as a weapon but a design bodrul.

www.levity.com...

Muslims were the first to use electricity to treat epilespy and neurogenic diseases by using a certain type of fish called Torpedo or cramp fish, which was put alive in water which was then connected to two straps of steel.

it was not a weapon but medical science. and torpedo dont always meant a weapon wen u hear that word. its just wat it was back centuries ago i believe.

I saw that part of the documentary too and it was only part of medicine if the cure was to blow a hole in an obese, waterborne patient.

The device consisted of a spherical metal casing filled with Saltpeter and most of the other elements of gunpowder, on the front was a burning torch mounted on a spike, on the back were propellant rockets (effectively fireworks). The powder filled globe was placed in the water, the torch at the front was lit and then the rockets at the back were fired. It moved slowly towards the target and any wind or waves could alter its course, but if it hit the target, the spike / torch at the front was pushed into the sphere by the force of impact, ignited the powder and Boom !

You can always rely on the BBC for pro-Muslim propaganda, it certainly isn't the organisation it used to be, however.....

Torpedo History:

A torpedo is self-propelled underwater missile launched from a tube located on the deck or inside the hull of a warship. The man who invented the first torpedo was Captain David Bushnell, who tried it out in New York Harbour in 1776. Bushell named it after the torpedo fish, a ray with an electric apparatus for killing its prey. Bushnell's torpedo comprised an explosive charge fixed to an enemy hull and was set-off by a clockwork fuse. These early torpedoes were stationary devices which exploded against vessels and were later classified as mines.

The first automatic torpedo was produced in 1868 by the English engineer, Robert Whitehead. This engine driven torpedo travelled at speeds of 15 to 20 knots. The device was self-propelled through compressed air. The British first starting buying Whitehead's torpedoes in 1871. By 1881 Whitehead's customers included Austria, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Argentina, Belgium, Denmark, Greece and Portugal. The first time one of Whitehead's torpedoes were used during a war was on 25th January 1878, when the Russian navy sank a Turkish steamer.

Torpedo tubes were first built into submarines in 1885 by the Swedish armaments manufacturer, Thortsen Nordenfelt. The German Navy was the first to fire an automotive torpedo. On 8th August 1914 a German U-boat unsuccessfully attacked the British battleship Monarch.

Torpedoes in 1914 carried a contact-triggered explosive warhead and had a range of 10,000 metres and could travel at 41 knots. However, their ideal range was about a kilometre because they tended to be inaccurate over longer distances. The fear of torpedoes meant that most large battleships were kept at home during the First World War. The were therefore mainly used against ships transporting troops and supplies.

But others were there a few centuries earlier - check out

www.muslimheritage.com...

which includes a rocket-propelled torpedo among other novelties.
Islamic scientific innovation generally gets very little attention in the West, when you delve into it they were amazingly active in all sorts of areas. I suspect more will emerge as more gets translated and scholars take more of a cross-cultural interest.

Originally posted by Wembley

But others were there a few centuries earlier - check out

www.muslimheritage.com...

which includes a rocket-propelled torpedo among other novelties.
Islamic scientific innovation generally gets very little attention in the West, when you delve into it they were amazingly active in all sorts of areas. I suspect more will emerge as more gets translated and scholars take more of a cross-cultural interest.

thanks Wembley. it looks like the Muslims were thinkin ahead in a way. but should thank the Chinese for providing some of the help.

Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
You can always rely on the BBC for pro-Muslim propaganda, it certainly isn't the organisation it used to be, however.....

funny seems to me like u dont like people reporting on islamic history
so hows it propaganda?
( just watch all the episodes and you will see they just dont do islam )

Originally posted by bodrul
funny seems to me like u dont like people reporting on islamic history
so hows it propaganda?

The BBC is the organisation who recently issued a memo to all its various departments forbidding use of the word "terrorist" in relation to those delightful individuals who murdered countless London bus and tube commuters recently, insisting that they be referred to as "bombers" so as not to unfairly label them !

Their objectivity on the subject of Muslims is as questionable as my own, the difference is that they are an international news organisation.

Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T

Originally posted by bodrul
funny seems to me like u dont like people reporting on islamic history
so hows it propaganda?

The BBC is the organisation who recently issued a memo to all its various departments forbidding use of the word "terrorist" in relation to those delightful individuals who murdered countless London bus and tube commuters recently, insisting that they be referred to as "bombers" so as not to unfairly label them !

Their objectivity on the subject of Muslims is as questionable as my own, the difference is that they are an international news organisation.

sure of that?
seems to me each time i sit down and watch the news they seem to refer those as terrorists on the bbc news reports
so feel free to back ur comment up because i havent heard what u are saying on the news or anything

Originally posted by bodrul
sure of that?
seems to me each time i sit down and watch the news they seem to refer those as terrorists on the bbc news reports

so feel free to back ur comment up because i havent heard what u are saying on the news or anything

Quite sure, this link refers to the policy for the London bombings.

www.opinionjournal.com...

And the BBC's wider policy on using the word "terrorist".

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Following in the footsteps of Reuters, the BBC World Service has decided to not call the events of September 11 "terrorism," a Guardian story on a media conference reported on Thursday.

The BBC’s Deputy Director of News maintained: "However appalling and disgusting it was, there will nevertheless be a constituency of your listeners who don't regard it as terrorism. Describing it as such could downgrade your status as an impartial and independent broadcaster."

James Taranto’s "Best of the Web" report on OpinionJournal.com highlighted the BBC policy directive as reported by the Guardian, a left-wing British newspaper. For the daily "Best of the Web," go to: www.opinionjournal.com...

An excerpt from the November 15 Guardian story by Matt Wells which is a bit unclear on whether BBC has never used the term "terrorism" to describe the September 11 attacks, or did for a while and has recently decided to stop doing so:

The BBC World Service has taken a policy decision not to describe the attacks on the US as "terrorism."

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The BBC is just another British institution that has become a Socialist rat's nest. It used to be world renowned, but even Blair felt it necessary to criticize his friends at the Beeb when they went too far even by their own standards and accused the US of racism over their handling of the Katrina storm.

[edit on 12-10-2005 by Winchester Ranger T]

Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
Quite sure

www.opinionjournal.com...

any other site?
that is worth reading ( something that is official )

edit:
still no other site apart from that
at least get me the link for the newpaper artical if its true

[edit on 12-10-2005 by bodrul]

If you don't regard the Media Research Center and the Wall Street Journal as "official" then I doubt much will satisfy you.

I could always ask the BBC's head of policy if he could give you a quick call to confirm.

Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
If you don't regard the Media Research Center and the Wall Street Journal as "official" then I doubt much will satisfy you.

I could always ask the BBC's head of policy if he could give you a quick call to confirm.

if you could that would be a great help
and no i dont trust anything that starts off with opinion
if u give direct links to an artical by wall street i would gladly read it

"Their objectivity on the subject of Muslims is as questionable as my own, the difference is that they are an international news organisation. "

This is always going to be contentious, labelling people as terrorists has become extremely politicised. I can see why the BBC World Service (not the one in Britain) might be wary.

If al-Jazeera described actions as being the result of 'terrorists' rather than 'bombers', we would immediately accuse them of propaganda, and the BBC have the same problem elsewhere. If you want to maintain credibility, you have to use neutral language. Obviously this isn't going to please the people on either side.

But look at the World Service's website and they do use this sort of language:

"It was the second time in three years that the island has been targeted by terrorists. " "After Kevin Skelton's wife was killed in a terrorist bomb attack "

www.bbc.co.uk...

So I really have to question whether this story is accurate or misleading.

"it looks like the Muslims were thinkin ahead in a way. but should thank the Chinese for providing some of the help."

Yes - with all sorts of things, the original idea came from China, was further developed by the Arabs and then passed on to Europeans who took it even further. Maths, phsyics, chemistry and I suspect many other fields followed this path.

The amusing thing is that everyone tries to claim credit and nobody wants to admit that its actually a joint effort across several cultures.

"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" -

Admiral David G. Farragut
Mobile Bay, Alabama
August 5, 1864

Technically, they werent torpedoes but remote mines that he was refering to.
However, I would say the most important first battle for torpedoes would be the sinking of the Far East Russian fleet by Japanese torpedo boats in 1905 during the Russo-Japanese War.

They were rather effective too, and frightened the major powers into investing in a cost effective solution to hunt and kill torpedo boats, aka the Destroyer.

By a twist of fate, later, some destroyers would use torpedoes as a primary armament against capital ships.