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Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
I dunno, I would have thought that the marines, being the first into a combat zone, would be given the priority for the best equipment the military can provide. Would you send in Hueys first and then save Comanches for mop-up?
I used to really feel sorry for these guys...
until the military members of this board would flame any "soft hearted" liberal who came running to save the big bad marines...
from thread author:
cost them the lives and health of 185 of their comrades.
In all, more than one-third of the unit's 185 troops were killed or wounded, the highest casualty rate of any company in the war, Marine Corps officials say.
You can be apologists, you can appease the powers that be, but at some point we have to put the military members first. If our government, continues with it's policy of not listening to the generals, but to the cronies on capitol hill, our men and women are going to continue to die needlessly. The wars will be harder and harder to sell when you throw our kids into a meat grinder when you have the means to protect them, but just choose not to out of incompetence or ignorance.
Originally posted by brimstone735
We own what we buy.
I certainly do feel bad for these soldiers, and if somebody gave me a vote, I'd vote to bring them home.
That being said, I was called un-american when the war began, because I was uneasy and apprehensive about the haste at which was launched. I was called a coward, when I doubted Iraq's stockpiles of chemical weapons in Iraq. I was called unpatriotic, when I raised concerns about our equipment preparedness. I was called a traitor, when the body count rose, and I questioned why. I was called weak, because I couldn't stomach are children being sent home in body bags, because they were stuck in a shooting gallery. And who said these things?
Soldiers.
Because, we're rear guard civilians, and we simply don't understand the complexities of war. It's traitorous to question our leaders during a time of war, anybody remember that? And these soldiers overwhelmingly voted in support of the war, by overhwhelmingly voting for Bush, and Rumsfeld by proxy.
Anybody remember December of last year? Spc Thomas Wilson, of the Tennessee National Guard, hammered Rumsfeld on the lack of proper troop equipment, and over two thousand of his fellow soldiers cheered him on.
And what was everyone's reaction? It can't be true! We're the best! This is all a conspiracy by the big bad liberal media to destroy the war effort!
We own what we buy, and these soldiers bought this war.
Originally posted by SportyMB
That Whole "baby-killer" finger pointing pisses me off.
Like I said, Hate on the administration and war if you like, but not the
Marines and Soldiers....is that what you were doing?
sorry to get off topic.
Originally posted by brimstone735
And they complain.
But nobody's listening anymore.*
Originally posted by Majic
Room For Improvement
Let's see. We have:
- Humvees that weren't as bomb-proof as main battle tanks
- Leaders not taking orders from their subordinates
- Soldiers dying for stupid reasons
- Other soldiers pissed off about that
- 20/20 hindsight on the part of people who don't know squat about the issues
- Opportunists chiming in with irrelevant non sequiturs and dutifully overlooking the obvious
I think I get the picture.
Looks like another war where people made mistakes and didn't predict the future with 100% accuracy.
Stop the presses. This is a first in the history of warfare, and a scandal that must be shouted from the rooftops.
Meanwhile, in the put-up-or-shut-up department, how many critics are willing to stand tall and assert that they can do a better job?
Anyone here who can do better?
Don't be shy, this is your moment to declare your superiority as a warrior in front of God and everybody.
The Value Of Experience
After all, only a fool would claim to know more about how to fight a war than the people who actually fight them, right?
Concern for the welfare of soldiers in combat is a very good thing.
Presuming to know more about their craft than they do and second-guessing them from a cozy armchair, on the other hand, is despicable.
As with all wars, everyone involved on all sides of the Iraq war has learned more than a few things the hard way.
While it is commendable to seek to minimize such pain in the future, to be so arrogant as to presume ones' own prescience in such an endeavor is pure folly.
Wisdom forbid any of us should choose such a lamentable path.
Originally posted by brimstone735
To limit the amount of American casualties by pressuring politicians, of all flavors, into providing sufficient armor, why that's just cowardice.
I mean, why fix the mistakes now?