ICC Apply for Arrest Warrants for Netanyahu and Hamas leader

a reply to: Lazy88

Can you prove Netanyahu even given two or three million dollars to militants in Gaza

Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s; who said had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the PLO and Fattah Party. "The Israeli government gave me a budget, and the military government gives to the mosques.".

Netanyahu has previously dispatched high officials, such as Mossad chief Yosi Cohen, to Doha “begging the Qataris to keep funneling money into Hamas” as Avigdor Lieberman, the former defense minister has said.

You do understand Hamas is also in charge of the civil government of Gaza. A government almost entirely funded by aid.

Former Israeli Prime Minister Barak has stated That the purpose was to support Hamas to weaken the PA and avoid any sincere negotiations toward a future Palestinian state. “It’s easier with Hamas to explain to Israelis that there is no one to sit with and no one to talk to. If the PA strengthens … then there will be someone to talk to,” he said.

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu said “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank,”.

Likud spokesman Jonatan Urich, one of Netanyahu’s media advisers, “Netanyahu basically smashed the vision of the Palestinian state in these two places… some of the achievement is related to the Qatari money reaching Hamas each month.”



What about protecting Israeli civilians isn't funding Hamas bad because more Israelis shall die? Does Natanyahu really care about death of Israeli citizens?


Erez Tadmor, another Likud campaign adviser, wrote in support of the Prime Minister’s policy “Bibi was convinced that he would have more control over Hamas with the Qatari money, let them occasionally fire rockets into southern Israel and have access to jobs inside Israel than he would with the Palestinian Authority. He took that risk".

Likud MK Galit Distel Atbaryan approvingly wrote: “We must say this honestly, Netanyahu wants Hamas on its feet, and he is ready to pay almost any incomprehensible price for this. Half the country is paralyzed, children and parents are suffering from post-trauma, homes are blown up, people are killed, a street cat holds a nuclear tiger by the balls.”




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a reply to: Danvero

You posted this..


Danvero
a reply to: Lazy88

With Natanyahu's billions of dollars,

Can you prove Netanyahu even given two or three million dollars to militants in Gaza in the last 10 years? Where did the money you claim in the billions come from?



I asked this..

We are talking about now, right. Or the last three or four years.

Prove and show Natanyahu's been giving money to the militants. You do understand Hamas is also in charge of the civil government of Gaza. A government almost entirely funded by aid.

Most of the Gaza Strip administration funding comes from outside as aid, with a large portion delivered by UN organizations directly to education and food supply. Most of the Gaza GDP of $700 million comes as foreign humanitarian and direct economic support. Of those funds, the major part is supported by the U.S. and the European Union. Portions of the direct economic support have been provided by the Arab League, though it largely has not provided funds according to schedule. Among other alleged sources of Gaza administration budget is Iran.
A diplomatic source told Reuters that Iran had funded Hamas in the past with up to $300 million per year, but the flow of money had not been regular in 2011.

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How much more money has the UN, Qatar, Iran dumped into the supposedly the civilian side of Hamas.

All aid should be cut off from all countries, right?

a reply to: Danvero

Do you care to actually address what was posted. And actual prove “billions”?

Or you can’t admit the true context of the enemy of my enemy. And you can’t honestly come to terms the whole magnitude more in moneys supplied by the UN, Iran, and Qatar.

. You claimed billions, which is a right out lie unless you can show actual proof.

originally posted by: Danvero
a reply to: Lazy88



"The Israeli government gave me a budget, and the military government gives to the mosques.".

So? Giving to mosques is funding militants and terrorists?

originally posted by: Danvero
a reply to: Lazy88



Netanyahu has previously dispatched high officials, such as Mossad chief Yosi Cohen, to Doha “begging the Qataris to keep funneling money into Hamas” as Avigdor Lieberman, the former defense minister has said.

One. Can you post the actual quote.

Two. In the context of supplying the civil government of Gaza.

Three. Any proof the money was desired to go to militants vs the civil departments and civilians of Gaza.


Four added…

You posted

originally posted by: Danvero
a reply to: Lazy88

Hamas without Natanyahu's money

Letting aid in to a government historically almost entirely funded by aid is different than what you implied.

As Israeli settlers try to stop aid being delivered to the starving Palestinian people one trucker refuses to be cowed by adopting the age old trucker policy of Might is Right , well done brother.

originally posted by: gortex
As Israeli settlers try to stop aid being delivered to the starving Palestinian people one trucker refuses to be cowed by adopting the age old trucker policy of Might is Right , well done brother.

Which has what to do in the way it’s an Israeli policy to support aid to Gaza?


Now. Care to address that Hamas steels aid. And Hamas comes down hard on Palestinians cooperating with Israel?

a reply to: gortex

I don't think there are any settlements in the Gaza Strip.

Israel should stop the settlements in the West Bank though, I would definitely agree there.

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Palestinians cooperating with Israel to distribute aid in Gaza will be viewed as collaborators and treated with an iron fist, a Hamas-linked website said on March 11. Under Hamas rule, collaboration with Israel is a crime punishable by death. The threat likely comes in response to media reports that Israel is considering working with certain clans in Gaza to distribute aid. Israel potentially seeks to empower these clans to assert leadership roles once the Jewish state completely defeats Hamas in the enclave.

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“Gortex” news. Ironic it’s similar like gore tex and only like to pass Hamas lies and propaganda.

a reply to: Ohanka

I don't think there are any settlements in the Gaza Strip.

Not yet but settlers did go into northern Gaza a few week ago to try and build settlements.

Israel should stop the settlements in the West Bank though, I would definitely agree there.

Agreed , it's something the UN have said on multiple occasions yet settlements and settlement expansions in the West Bank are still being approved.

a reply to: gortex

So…

Hamas should surrender and release hostages to end the war they started by breaking a ceasefire?

a reply to: Lazy88

Do you care to actually address what was posted. And actual prove “billions”?

Netanyahu has previously dispatched high officials, such as Mossad chief Yosi Cohen, to Doha “begging the Qataris to keep funneling money into Hamas” as Avigdor Lieberman, the former defense minister has said.

Doha is Qatar Capital city.

Doha hosts key members of Hamas’s senior leadership and has given an estimated $1.8 billion to Gaza’s Hamas-run government.

www.fdd.org... hamas-and-qatar/

We are talking about now, right. Or the last three or four years. Prove and show Natanyahu's been giving money to the militants. You do understand Hamas is also in charge of the civil government of Gaza. A government almost entirely funded by aid.

I'm not limiting myself to period of 1-5 years. doesn't make any sense for me. You can explain the reason behind time limit.

international law has become a tool for our enemies to suppress our actions while they completely ignore it, its no longer a forum for peace like so many try to claim, so we should question the legitimacy of so called international law and human rights, united nations of hypocrisy is what it is.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Danvero
a reply to: Lazy88

With Natanyahu's billions of dollars,

Can you prove Netanyahu even given two or three million dollars to militants in Gaza in the last 10 years? Where did the money you claim in the billions come from?

Not heard anything of billinos of dollars but he's been widely criticised in Israeli press for his policy of directing milliond in Qatari and Turkish to Hamas when previously they were rightfuly conviscated by Israeli forces.

Times of Israel - For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

Directing money and resources from other countries to Hamas was a major part of his policy for stopping Fatah/Palestinian Authority from obtaining a two state solution after Mahmaoud Abbas came so close in the and keeping thw Hamas vs Fatah war going meant a divided Palestine and unlike Hamas,

Fatah abandonned terrorism as a tactic and are no longer considered a terror group by any country in the world. The far-right Religious Zionism Party and current Israeli finance minister are on record saying Hamas are an asset and Fatah are a burden despite it being a proscribed terror group in sane parts of the world,

The Intercept - Before They Vowed to Annihilate Hamas, Israeli Officials Considered It an Asset
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Ex-Israeli Spy Chief 'Netanyahu missed chance to cut off Hamas' Qatari funds.

Mr Levy - who was head of economic warfare in the Mossad, Israel's spy agency, until 2016 - says he told Mr Netanyahu many times that Israel had the means to crush Hamas, which controls Gaza, "by using only financial tools".

Mr Levy says he never got a response to his proposal from Mr Netanyahu.

When asked if he considered there was a connection between Mr Netanyahu's alleged reluctance to deal with Hamas's finances and the 7 October attack, Mr Levy is unequivocal.

www.bbc.co.uk...


Some groups are trying to twist this into Israel/Mossad creating Hamas or funding from their own pocket which there's no evidence for; but plety of exposes of Netanyahu's policy from Israeli media/general public and Right Wing/Centrist Israeli Party's.

originally posted by: bastion

Not heard anything of billinos of dollars but he's been widely criticised in Israeli press for his policy of directing milliond in Qatari and Turkish to Hamas when previously they were rightfuly conviscated by Israeli forces.

And again. You understand that “Hamas” also is the elected government of Gaza and actually have legitimate civil duties. Those civil duties and departments are literally funded by aid from outside Gaza.

International aid

The Palestinian economy is dependent on international aid and around 4 in 5 Gazans rely on donations for their survival. As a result, when aid falls short of expectations and stated commitments as it did in 2012 (the Palestinian Authority received 80% of the US$1 billion it was expecting in direct budget support), the results are deeply felt. The decline in international aid is cited as one of the key reasons that the West Bank's GDP shrank in early 2013, for the first time in a decade.
In 2011, the single biggest donor to Palestine was the United States followed by the EU who gave $281m and $206m respectively.

amp.theguardian.com...

Would you rather starve out Gaza? Or is it really a bad thing for civilians in Gaza if Netanyahu found ways to let aid flow in?

originally posted by: Danvero
a reply to: Lazy88




I'm not limiting myself to period of 1-5 years. doesn't make any sense for me. You can explain the reason behind time limit.

Because peace efforts are supposed to have moved forward since the Oslo Accords.

What keeps happening since then.

Why the set backs.

If aid isn’t allowed in, how do Palestinian civilians survive?

a reply to: Lazy88

Oslo accords, RIP long time ago.

I'm not a fan of the death penalty but I hope Bibi and every IDF member who was involved in the bombing of the shelter spends the rest of their life in prison.

It's also time for Gaza and Israel to have their military controlled by the International community.

What Israel did was beyond evil. And the fact that evil was done to them before is no excuse - none at all.

With all the payoff of senators, the chances of Israel being held responsible are very slim but the United States is in it's decline.

I think most people DO NOT support Israel - but they stay silent about it because of threats to their career.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: gortex

So…

Hamas should surrender and release hostages to end the war they started by breaking a ceasefire?

Hamas has a plan…

October 2023

Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh: We Need The Blood Of Women, Children, And The Elderly Of Gaza – So It Awakens Our Revolutionary Spirit

They tossed the citizens of Gaza under the bus.

Super Soldiers!

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No doubt the leaders of both sides couldn't care less about the safety of children.

At a certain point, how much child killings should the International Community tolerate?

At this point, who really care who started it first or what someone thinks happened hundreds of years ago.

This constant killing of children on each side has to stop.

Hamas cannot be trusted with weapons and neither can Israel. But the military under the direction of the UN.