Is the israeli military this inept

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

From your source?

www.bbc.com...

Some began violently pushing and even trampling other Gazans to death, looting the humanitarian supplies," he said. "The unfortunate incident resulted in dozens of Gazans killed and injured."
Israeli tanks, he said, "cautiously tried to disperse the mob with a few warning shots" but pulled back "when the hundreds became thousands and things got out of hand".

Another IDF spokesman, Lt Col Peter Lerner, said some civilians approached a checkpoint which was about 70 metres (230 feet) away and ignored warning shots fired by the soldiers there.
He said the soldiers, fearing that some of the civilians posed a threat, then opened fire on those approaching in what he described as a "limited response."

Which is nothing like the claim “The IDF has acknowledged that they have shot a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat. Who the hell is going to shoot if they don't want to cause chaos?”

a reply to: ToneD

You do realize that this link is a misquote and wrong. He was commenting on UN report of aid trucks being attacked. And said if that did happen it was a mistake. They implied on the tweet that he was talking about the deaths of 112 civilians he was not. So basically this is fake news.

a reply to: reader110

i can see it, a bunch of eager new army guys,
getting crowded, scared, not trained for crowd control..

To believe that you must first believe the IDF's account of what happened and recent history tells us the folly of doing that.

a reply to: Lazy88

Which is nothing like the claim “The IDF has acknowledged that they have shot a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat.

What do you see in that image? A snack with friends waiting for the delivery of their order to Mc Donald?

The first thing the IDF should do is control humanitarian aid in its controlled area instead of causing famine among the population in Gaza.

And secondly, since they don't manage the distribution of food, don't be so stupid as to shoot at the desperate crowd.

But they already have you to defend war crimes like this and the entire image of him, with the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Good job, you are certainly on the right side of history.

originally posted by: Lazy88
Which is nothing like the claim “The IDF has acknowledged that they have shot a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat.

Yeah ... Hopeforthefuture was quickly and easily debunked on that one. The IDF never said any such thing. In fact, just the opposite. They said they were in self defense from attack.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

From your source?

Some began violently pushing and even trampling other Gazans to death, looting the humanitarian supplies," he said. "The unfortunate incident resulted in dozens of Gazans killed and injured."
Israeli tanks, he said, "cautiously tried to disperse the mob with a few warning shots" but pulled back "when the hundreds became thousands and things got out of hand".

www.bbc.com...

Some began violently pushing and even trampling other Gazans to death, looting the humanitarian supplies," he said. "The unfortunate incident resulted in dozens of Gazans killed and injured."
Israeli tanks, he said, "cautiously tried to disperse the mob with a few warning shots" but pulled back "when the hundreds became thousands and things got out of hand".

Another IDF spokesman, Lt Col Peter Lerner, said some civilians approached a checkpoint which was about 70 metres (230 feet) away and ignored warning shots fired by the soldiers there.
He said the soldiers, fearing that some of the civilians posed a threat, then opened fire on those approaching in what he described as a "limited response."

Which is nothing like the claim “The IDF has acknowledged that they have shot a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat. Who the hell is going to shoot if they don't want to cause chaos?”

You forgot this from that quote....

IDF chief spokesman, Rear Adm Daniel Hagari, said civilians surrounded the convoy and people began climbing on the lorries.

So yeah , he would say that wouldn't he.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
The first thing the IDF should do is control humanitarian aid in its controlled area instead of causing famine among the population in Gaza.

The first thing Hamas and the 'palestinians' should do is release the hostages and lay down their arms so all this could end.

And secondly, since they don't manage the distribution of food, don't be so stupid as to shoot at the desperate crowd.

When attacked, you fire at the attackers. It's a war zone. Don't be so stupid as to attack armed soldiers who you are at war with. IDF weren't going to just sit there and be torn apart by people.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Yeah ... Hopeforthefuture was quickly and easily debunked on that one. The IDF never said any such thing. In fact, just the opposite. They said they were in self defense from attack.

They have openly acknowledged attacking "civilians."

Any news that those who attacked were armed?

You certainly do not discredit me even in your wildest dreams, do not manipulate and embellish the truth. That the # you are supporting will soon explode in your face.

Again they are very very stupid. I’ve seen maybe 30 no wait 50! 50 videos of Palestinians throwing rocks at people with guns. Then they get shot.(shocked pikachu face)

a reply to: FlyersFan

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
They have openly acknowledged attacking "civilians."

They have openly acknowledged defending themselves against people attacking them. When those people attack them, they cease to be civilians.

They never said that they “acknowledged that they have shot a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat." Not even close to that. You pulled that crap out of your butt.

Any news that those who attacked were armed?

Irrelevant. When attacked, you attack back with overwhelming force so that you aren't the casualty. A crowd of people attacking in a war zone can be just as dangerous armed or not.

You certainly do not discredit me even in your wildest dreams,

I do and so do many others ... in every thread ... over and over again.
You should be embarrassed for yourself.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

From your source?

www.bbc.com...

Some began violently pushing and even trampling other Gazans to death, looting the humanitarian supplies," he said. "The unfortunate incident resulted in dozens of Gazans killed and injured."
Israeli tanks, he said, "cautiously tried to disperse the mob with a few warning shots" but pulled back "when the hundreds became thousands and things got out of hand".

Another IDF spokesman, Lt Col Peter Lerner, said some civilians approached a checkpoint which was about 70 metres (230 feet) away and ignored warning shots fired by the soldiers there.
He said the soldiers, fearing that some of the civilians posed a threat, then opened fire on those approaching in what he described as a "limited response."

Which is nothing like the claim “The IDF has acknowledged that they have shot a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat. Who the hell is going to shoot if they don't want to cause chaos?”

If I read that right the convoy of aid wasn't supposed to stop there. They attacked the convoy and started removing the aid shipments. That would explain people being crushed to death as in any aid situation you have to have crowd control
However that still leaves firing on the crowd not sure of the excuse they saw this group as a threat. Considering they were already dealing with a massive group and were withdrawing at that moment.

a reply to: FlyersFan

You should be embarrassed for yourself.

I would be much more ashamed to support colonialism, war crimes, illegal settlements, use of disproportionate force, dehumanization and a long list of things.

I stay with the truth, the facts, the data, the history, the narrative, I put it all together and an ethnic cleansing appears on the Palestinian people. That same side does not prevent me from defending any innocent Israeli by cursing his murderers, whether Palestinians or Canadians...

For you, the propaganda of hate and lies spread by a racist, supremacist and genocidal state

The truth is a torch that shines through the fog, without dissipating it.

a reply to: FlyersFan

The big problem is you do not try to bring aid into an active war zone this is never going to turn out well. Aid does not enter until the fighting stops. Problem is the world wants to seem like they are doing something. So these aid trucks are sent in to an active war zone get pillaged do to lack of security the aid never gets to its destination and we end up with a lot of dead people.

Until they negotiate a cease fire you fo not send aid period.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

From your source?

www.bbc.com...

Some began violently pushing and even trampling other Gazans to death, looting the humanitarian supplies," he said. "The unfortunate incident resulted in dozens of Gazans killed and injured."
Israeli tanks, he said, "cautiously tried to disperse the mob with a few warning shots" but pulled back "when the hundreds became thousands and things got out of hand".

Another IDF spokesman, Lt Col Peter Lerner, said some civilians approached a checkpoint which was about 70 metres (230 feet) away and ignored warning shots fired by the soldiers there.
He said the soldiers, fearing that some of the civilians posed a threat, then opened fire on those approaching in what he described as a "limited response."

Which is nothing like the claim “The IDF has acknowledged that they have shot a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat. Who the hell is going to shoot if they don't want to cause chaos?”

If I read that right the convoy of aid wasn't supposed to stop there. They attacked the convoy and started removing the aid shipments. That would explain people being crushed to death as in any aid situation you have to have crowd control
However that still leaves firing on the crowd not sure of the excuse they saw this group as a threat. Considering they were already dealing with a massive group and were withdrawing at that moment.

The trucks continued to move on. The IDF withdrew back because 100s supposedly turned to 1000s. A portion of the people that intercepted the trucks turned to the new IDF position. They approach. The IDF fired warning shots. A group continued to approach the IDF, the IDF fired into those approaching.

The truth is a torch that shines through fog without dissipating it? Your truth is useless versus fog! (Emojis face)

Leave Canada out of this. We suck at genocide have you seen how many natives are left? A lot. Like way more then ever existed before “colonization”

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: FlyersFan


So these aid trucks are sent in to an active war zone get pillaged do to lack of security the aid never gets to its destination and we end up with a lot of dead

What would security do? The IDF had a tank at the check point?

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
I stay with the truth, the facts, the data, the history, the narrative....

If you did, you wouldn't be debunked on every thread all the time.

Speaking of which .... when are you going to acknowledge that the IDF did NOT say what you claim - "“The IDF has acknowledged that they have shot a crowd of desperate people who just wanted to eat". They said they fired at people who were attacking them, not at the crowd that was getting food. When are you going to admit that you pulled that crap out of your butt? You've been debunked on that ... again.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: FlyersFan


So these aid trucks are sent in to an active war zone get pillaged do to lack of security the aid never gets to its destination and we end up with a lot of dead

What would security do? The IDF had a tank at the check point?

A tank isn't security a tank is a weapon used in a war zone. A distribution center is controlled by troops. Just the fact that a tank was there shows the Kaos of the situation

a reply to: Athetos

For starters we have incredibly powerful predicive models, coupled with a global network that allows instant data exchange.

Pretty novel and pretty impactfull.

Are you telling me you can't see that force acting on the global playing field?

a reply to: FlyersFan

I brought that up after reading the op it lied. The IDF spokeman was talking about something completely different then what the op stated in this thread. It was fake news on Twitter.