Transubstantiation

This one time
I went to heaven.

It was just as I imagined;
A long gold columned hallway
leading to the throne room.

The throne was empty,
and the angels
looked at me
all puzzled and disconcerted.

And then I left.



Now imagine if you would that a man named Jesus went about for a few years teaching things. Then he did the whole Last Supper with the bread and wine with his closest followers, so they could remember him and his teaching.

And then he got killed. His body decomposed into its elements. Elements within the current biosphere; the breath we breathe, the drink we drink, and the bread we eat.

Some say that magic words spoken can drag Jesus from heaven to inhabit bread. What if he never was in heaven?

a reply to: pthena

I cant remember how many people saw Yeshua alive and transformed after he was resurrected, but there were hundreds.

a reply to: visitedbythem

I never met or talked to those people.

a reply to: pthena

If you are going to be consistent with scripture, his body was risen from the tomb, so never decomposed.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

If you are going to be consistent with scripture

Scripture is written words.
I have written words.

And so it is written.

a reply to: pthena

Ive never met nor talked to anyone testifying before Congress in any number of sworn testimonies. Should I discount them as well?

a reply to: pthena


All of history until cameras is written words.

Cherry picking written words to make an argument to attack those written words is foolish, no matter what the book is.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Show me some sworn affidavits or court record of a resurrection.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

So, cave paintings mean nothing to history? Are you actually saying that?

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Cherry picking written words to make an argument to attack those written words is foolish, no matter what the book is.

I'm not aware that I am attacking my scripture.

a reply to: pthena

God made everything. Mankind made god in the image of mankind along with making Lucifer, Saten, the Devil etc... God is God, god isn't God. Mostly mankind follows god and not God. Men even wrote books about god and not about God. Then men said these books were the word of God. Man does not always tell the truth.

a reply to: pthena

Jesus' body never decayed after he died. His Father, Jehovah God did not allow it:

"Because you will not leave me in the Grave, nor will you allow your loyal one to see decay(footnote)."-Acts 2:27.

When Jesus died and was buried sometime during the parts of 3 days and before his body began to see decay God had the physical dead body of Jesus dematerialize. Jesus was resurrected a spirit being, so he no longer had a physical body after his resurrection. So Jesus' dead physical body when he had ceased to exist while he was sleeping in death never saw decay. His Father, Jehovah God in heaven did not let that happen to his only-begotten's physical body.

He could of course materialize a human body while on earth, after his resurrection, just as angels of the past, and he himself had done on occasion before becoming human. (For example see Joshua 5:14).

a reply to: pthena

The Testiments of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John......

Shall I continue?

originally posted by: visitedbythem
a reply to: pthena

I cant remember how many people saw Yeshua alive and transformed after he was resurrected, but there were hundreds.

"After that he appeared to more than 500 brothers at one time, most of whom are still with us, though some have fallen asleep in death."-1 Corinthians 15:6.

a reply to: beyondknowledge2

Cave paintings were the first WRITTEN TESTIMONY

Hey, there are so many horses over the hill.... Hey, there was a brighter star in the sky last night!

a reply to: pthena

There is also physical evidence: see the Shroud of Turin

a reply to: randomuser

I thank you for being consistent in your religious names. Most aren't.

Jesus litterally means "son of Zeus".
Jehovah is Jupiter which translates to Zeus.

Both remaining in the Greek pantheon. Most would add Christ to the mix which is from Christos. Christos translates to Horus the son of Isis which is referring to Egyptian gods.

Again thanks for the consistency.

a reply to: beyondknowledge2
I don't remember ever seeing cave paintings, but I'm pretty sure I've seen
Steam Wells Petroglyph

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

The shroud is still disputable as is turning water to wine. That trick was available from magic shops 2000 years ago.

Funny what you learn being a fan of magic.

a reply to: beyondknowledge2

I am polytheist at the moment.
I need my gods to live;
Earth
Air
Water
Sun
Moon probably.

I depend upon my gods for survival.