Over 60 percent of active shooters stopped by good guy with a gun

a reply to: quintessentone

Nothing is ever that simple. With more people being armed, other types of gun violence increase.

Find the stats that show the percentage of gun violence or gun crimes perpetrated by people with concealed gun permits.
I bet it is almost non-existent or at least a very small percentage.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: quintessentone

An FBI report covering.....

Do you understand what this thread is about?

Yes, you want to do away with gun-free zones and have everyone armed and ready to fire at a given moment without any proper training or regard for how other types of gun violence will happen. But like I said, it's just an observation.

“The biggest problem that I have with (permitless carry) is that there is no trainer. So someone that has never picked up a firearm can go purchase one and begin to carry with absolutely no experience of safety or shooting that firearm. Which makes them more of the problem on the streets than making the streets safer.”

everytownresearch.org...

a reply to: quintessentone

Yes, you want to do away with gun-free zones and have everyone armed and ready to fire at a given moment without any proper training or regard for how other types of gun violence will happen. But like I said, it's just an observation.

This is a pretty close to accurate description about my beliefs. Proper training is subjective yet I'm a strong proponent of firearm safety and use starting in elementary school.


Yet, this actually has nothing to do with the thread. Perhaps you should go read it as you insist on posting debunked information for an authority you are appealing to...

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: quintessentone

Yes, you want to do away with gun-free zones and have everyone armed and ready to fire at a given moment without any proper training or regard for how other types of gun violence will happen. But like I said, it's just an observation.

This is a pretty close to accurate description about my beliefs. Proper training is subjective yet I'm a strong proponent of firearm safety and use starting in elementary school.


Yet, this actually has nothing to do with the thread. Perhaps you should go read it as you insist on posting debunked information for an authority you are appealing to...

Your information for an authority explains it all.

The Washington Examiner is a U.S. conservative news outlet which consists principally of a website and a weekly printed magazine, based in Washington, D.C. It is owned by Philip Anschutz through MediaDC, a subsidiary of Clarity Media Group.[

Your shooter statistics from a conservative source will align with the NRA agenda that everyone and anyone should be armed with or without training.

Just my observations.

a reply to: quintessentone

You understand that in the OP's source it shows how the FBI was manipulating data to obfuscate defensive uses of firearms...right?


If not, let me reiterate.

The OP's source is showing how the RBI was manipulating data to obfuscate defensive uses of firearms......

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: quintessentone

You understand that in the OP's source it shows how the FBI was manipulating data to obfuscate defensive uses of firearms...right?


If not, let me reiterate.

The OP's source is showing how the RBI was manipulating data to obfuscate defensive uses of firearms......

You do understand who John Lott is right?

Lott’s findings and methods have generated scathing criticism from prominent academics, who have questioned his veracity and exposed flaws in his work. But the critiques have not diminished his stature. Instead, they have fed the conspiracy-oriented mentality of the gun-rights movement. In the eyes of its adherents, and in the messaging of the gun lobby and trade groups, attempts to discredit Lott are really attempts to suppress the truth.

In 2013, Lott founded the Crime Prevention Research Center, a nonprofit to support his research. He takes pains to stress his and the organization’s independence. In his statement in the California case, Lott wrote that the CPRC “does not accept donations from gun ammunition makers or organizations such as the National Rifle Association (NRA) or any other organizations involved in the gun control debate on either side of the issue.” The same language also appears in his books, on his Web site, and in other legal filings.

Yet Lott is a mainstay at the NRA’s annual meeting, where he typically conducts multiple seminars on his research and hosts a table on the tradeshow floor. In 2015, during the group’s convention in Nashville, Tennessee, he held one of the CPRC’s first fundraisers at a hotel around the corner. One of the speakers, a conservative celebrity author and radio host named Dana Loesch, would soon be a face of the NRA, alongside its leader, Wayne LaPierre. At the CPRC fundraiser, she said, of Lott, “We don’t have anybody else on our side that does what he does.”

www.thetrace.org...

a reply to: JinMI

Dude.

You can't illustrate a positive motive for owning firearms.


You should know this by now!

Dammit!

I'm going to have to report you for this!

a reply to: quintessentone

You want to play this stupid game while still ignoring the premise of the OP?

Fine.

www.thetrace.org...

Nothing about the 2nd amendment, defensive firearm use or....training.


You're not a serious person.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JinMI

Dude.

You can't illustrate a positive motive for owning firearms.


You should know this by now!

Dammit!

I'm going to have to report you for this!

I know, I know.

If only the word "infringe" meant what we think it means.


Please report me to Merriam-Webster first DB, it's the right thing to do!

originally posted by: quintessentone
It appears there is no other way to deal with the mass shooter problems because disarming citizens will, it seems, never be on the table. Let's hope everyone can do one good head shot because these shooters seem to put on bullet proof armor. Not sure why if they are planning to kill themselves afterwards or die by police.

Probably because your head is buried so deep in the sand you’ve surpassed anyone on the planet.

Why does ats not kick these trolls out . No way , let’s kick out every freedom loving person here and let thee socialist trolls take over . Thanks

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: quintessentone

You want to play this stupid game while still ignoring the premise of the OP?

Fine.

www.thetrace.org...

Nothing about the 2nd amendment, defensive firearm use or....training.


You're not a serious person.

The premise of the OP is Lott's supposed 'shoddy'' statistics, which science has a problem with.

But scientists soon challenged his conclusions. One paper, published in the American Journal of Public Health, warned that “the flaws” in Lott’s article were “so substantial, and the findings so at odds with criminological theory and research, that any conclusions about the effects of “shall-issue” laws based on this study are dubious at best.” David Hemenway, ​​an economist and a professor of health policy at Harvard University, said that Lott’s paper “created a cottage industry of scholars analyzing the same data sources and largely refuting” its results.

But, during Lott’s deposition, when asked if the C.P.R.C. receives contributions from individuals who may be affiliated with the gun industry, he admitted, “I’m sure we probably get some donations from people that are in those things. But I don’t go and screen them.” He went on, “I draw the line in terms of banning an individual with their own money.”

www.newyorker.com...

Follow the NRA money. This Lott guy has an agenda, big time.

originally posted by: Stopthebull

originally posted by: quintessentone
It appears there is no other way to deal with the mass shooter problems because disarming citizens will, it seems, never be on the table. Let's hope everyone can do one good head shot because these shooters seem to put on bullet proof armor. Not sure why if they are planning to kill themselves afterwards or die by police.

Probably because your head is buried so deep in the sand you’ve surpassed anyone on the planet.

Why does ats not kick these trolls out . No way , let’s kick out every freedom loving person here and let thee socialist trolls take over . Thanks

Yeah and then an echo chamber to continue to not deny ignorance can flourish. If that is what all members here want then go for it.

One more truth before I leave this thread.

Across states, researchers found that more guns equal more gun deaths looking at all 50 states in the country from 1981 to 2010.[11] This finding has been replicated in numerous other studies.[12] [13] Importantly, states with both lax gun laws and greater access to guns have higher rates of mass shootings.[14]

rockinst.org...

a reply to: quintessentone

More guns equal more deaths. That is true.

More cars equals more car accidents. I bet that's true also. Are you for banning cars?

2nd Amendment. Can't get around it.

a reply to: quintessentone

Follow the NRA money. This Lott guy has an agenda, big time.

The irony...as you source anti gun groups...


Who are you trying to fool here?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: quintessentone

More guns equal more deaths. That is true.

More cars equals more car accidents. I bet that's true also. Are you for banning cars?

2nd Amendment. Can't get around it.

What's the difference in training between cars and guns?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Stopthebull

originally posted by: quintessentone
It appears there is no other way to deal with the mass shooter problems because disarming citizens will, it seems, never be on the table. Let's hope everyone can do one good head shot because these shooters seem to put on bullet proof armor. Not sure why if they are planning to kill themselves afterwards or die by police.

Probably because your head is buried so deep in the sand you’ve surpassed anyone on the planet.

Why does ats not kick these trolls out . No way , let’s kick out every freedom loving person here and let thee socialist trolls take over . Thanks

Yeah and then an echo chamber to continue to not deny ignorance can flourish. If that is what all members here want then go for it.

One more truth before I leave this thread.

Across states, researchers found that more guns equal more gun deaths looking at all 50 states in the country from 1981 to 2010.[11] This finding has been replicated in numerous other studies.[12] [13] Importantly, states with both lax gun laws and greater access to guns have higher rates of mass shootings.[14]

rockinst.org...[/quote ]

So what you are proving here is that the more bad guys that have guns, the more bad guys that try to do something bad are killed with guns.

You've proven the OP.

But yea, echo chamber here...

LOL

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: quintessentone

More guns equal more deaths. That is true.

More cars equals more car accidents. I bet that's true also. Are you for banning cars?

2nd Amendment. Can't get around it.

What's the difference in training between cars and guns?

What's the difference between driving cars and keeping and bearing arms?

a reply to: RazorV66

Find the stats that show the percentage of gun violence or gun crimes perpetrated by people with concealed gun permits.
I bet it is almost non-existent or at least a very small percentage.

Background checks performed for permit.

Maybe if background checks were universal, the gun crime rates would get closer to CCP gun crime rates. Sounds good to me.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: quintessentone

Follow the NRA money. This Lott guy has an agenda, big time.

The irony...as you source anti gun groups...


Who are you trying to fool here?

I think not.

Rockefeller Institute of Government is a public policy think tank that conducts cutting-edge, nonpartisan research and policy analysis.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: quintessentone

More guns equal more deaths. That is true.

More cars equals more car accidents. I bet that's true also. Are you for banning cars?

2nd Amendment. Can't get around it.

What's the difference in training between cars and guns?

What's the difference between driving cars and keeping and bearing arms?

Everyone driving cars has some training - anybody can buy a gun without training.