Missouri IS Protecting Children effective August 28th 2023

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: greendust

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: datguy

Who’s making these decisions?

Politicians.

Who makes decisions in your state? I guess laws just magically appear there?

Parents of children in need of specific medical care.

This may be another one for the courts.

Nobody interfered with me giving a 6 year old Ritalin.

That depends on the "when was that in time" part. I think it is frowned on these days.

Better point — I had an excellent doctor who knew what he was doing. He supported modification (too long to explain).

Specialist doctors/psychiatrists are needed for these kids.

Eventually, it will be a specified field.

Each child should be treated individually is all I can say to any medical assessment or treatment.

When you have an undiagnosed child and can see the effects of not getting the care they needed.

It matters.

originally posted by: datguy
The ritalin could be the cause for some forms of precocious puberty
A change in hormone levels and brain chemistry is associated with this, and precocious puberty is what most "doctors" are prescribing hormone blockers for, even though the medical science suggest that this only compounds the issues and if researched you would find that they (hormone blockers) do not treat the symptoms. Which is why am so baffled that so many people believe that they actually help
"gender dysphoria" is a generic term and should be tossed into the bin along with "gender-affirming", they are misleading

I agree and they are working on changing the term to 'gender incongruity' because they still can't get it right.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: greendust

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: datguy

Who’s making these decisions?

Politicians.

Who makes decisions in your state? I guess laws just magically appear there?

Parents of children in need of specific medical care.

what restrictions exist in that department now, or with this bill?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: greendust

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: datguy

Who’s making these decisions?

Politicians.

Who makes decisions in your state? I guess laws just magically appear there?

Parents of children in need of specific medical care.

This may be another one for the courts.

Nobody interfered with me giving a 6 year old Ritalin.

did you have a doctors prescription, or did you play doctor with a child?

a reply to: quintessentone

but it shouldn't be "gender" anything, the symptoms have nothing to do with gender and are only associated with gender because of the lack of understanding, which again baffles me because the science is right there to see.

a reply to: Annee
What they need most is your love and support, not drugs and surgery. Its true I don't know your story or your daughters but it seems to me that trusting people who dont follow the medical science isn't going to help.
There are several agendas at play in all of this and none of them have you or your daughters best interest in mind

originally posted by: datguy
a reply to: quintessentone

but it shouldn't be "gender" anything, the symptoms have nothing to do with gender and are only associated with gender because of the lack of understanding, which again baffles me because the science is right there to see.

Well some doctors which specialize in this phenomenon believe in the neuroscience and many other tests are done to ascertain what's going on in the physical sense. Then the psychological treatments come into play if those other tests show no brain changes that would have happened during fetal development.

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This Bill is headed for a "likely" veto.

“And there you have it,” tweeted Rep. Marcia Morey (D-Durham). “Speaker Tim Moore strong armed Dems into silence by prohibiting our amendments and our debate. As if the supermajority doesn’t already have enough power. Now censorship. This is not what democracy looks like.”

SB 49 was debated earlier Wednesday in the House Rules Committee where several speakers told the committee that the bill gives aid and comfort to bad parents, and urged them to vote against it.

“SB 49 only works for bad parents,” said Renee Sekel, a Wake County parent. “I had bad parents and the cardinal sin in my family was to tell — to tell that my mother’s nickname for me was devil’s spawn; that when she got mad that she’d take me by the hair, throw me on the floor and kick any part of my body that she could reach.”

That wasn’t the worst of it, Sekel said, explaining that when her dad got angry and took off his belt, “Oh God, you’d better run.”

Sekel said she did tell a tell a teacher — once — about an abuse that she suffered. The well-meaning teacher told her parents.

“I have spoken in this body about what happened to me [after the teacher told her parents],” Sekel said.

State Rep. Allison Dahle (D-Wake) said that SB 49 will lead to devastating consequences for LGBTQ students in abusive families.

ncnewsline.com...

a reply to: quintessentone

the science has been around for about a decade and just because a doctor, who gets paid to dole out new drugs, "thinks" that it is correct, doesn't mean that it is.
Name one science that has been correct and consistent since its inception.
IF there is a physical malady, like a tumor, then by all means treat it but not all changes take place in the fetus, the brain and the body continue to develop long after birth and are constantly bombarded with toxic influences both physical and mental

a reply to: quintessentone
This is so much bs, the anecdote used here doesn't even come into play in the bill, its just more obfuscation to push an agenda.
"hey lets not use science, instead were going to dredge up some past abuse we suffered and apply it so it makes you "feel" a certain way.."smh

originally posted by: datguy
a reply to: quintessentone

the science has been around for about a decade and just because a doctor, who gets paid to dole out new drugs, "thinks" that it is correct, doesn't mean that it is.
Name one science that has been correct and consistent since its inception.
IF there is a physical malady, like a tumor, then by all means treat it but not all changes take place in the fetus, the brain and the body continue to develop long after birth and are constantly bombarded with toxic influences both physical and mental

Well neuroscience is continuing larger group studies of transgendered people to confirm previous findings re: fetal brain changes, structural and chemical. I don't see how they can mistake those types of brain/chemical changes with toxic influences after birth. Isn't the question, whatever the cause of proven physical changes isn't the mental wellbeing and overall health of the child the priority?

originally posted by: quintessentone
Isn't the question, whatever the cause of proven physical changes isn't the mental wellbeing and overall health of the child the priority?

It should be, and for the long term, well into adulthood
Are you suggesting that mutilating the human body somehow makes that persons mental issues "better"?

And this bill does not prevent someone anyone who needs lifesaving medical attention from getting it. IT only prevents needless child mutilations from causing long term medical issues in patients who require mental attention, not physical surgery
cutting off some little kids balls isn't going to make their mental issues disappear

originally posted by: datguy
a reply to: quintessentone

What they need most is your love and support, not drugs and surgery.

They need what they need.

But, NO —I do not support permanent surgery before 18 (US).

originally posted by: datguy

. . . cutting off some little kids balls isn't going to make their mental issues disappear

And your expertise is what?

Transgender teens 7.6 times more likely to attempt suicide

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

originally posted by: datguy

originally posted by: quintessentone
Isn't the question, whatever the cause of proven physical changes isn't the mental wellbeing and overall health of the child the priority?

It should be, and for the long term, well into adulthood
Are you suggesting that mutilating the human body somehow makes that persons mental issues "better"?

And this bill does not prevent someone anyone who needs lifesaving medical attention from getting it. IT only prevents needless child mutilations from causing long term medical issues in patients who require mental attention, not physical surgery
cutting off some little kids balls isn't going to make their mental issues disappear

As for your question, a certified medical professional working within this field could better answer that question.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: datguy

. . . cutting off some little kids balls isn't going to make their mental issues disappear

And your expertise is what?

Transgender teens 7.6 times more likely to attempt suicide

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

YEAH MAYBE OF YOU DIDNT WANT TO CHANGE THEM AND ACCEPTED THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE THEY WOULDNT WANT TO KILL THEMSELVES, sry caps but im not retyping.

a reply to: Annee

yes, legislatures make laws. Members of the legislatures are elected. That makes them politicians. All laws are done this way, even the ones you like.

So what is your point?

originally posted by: datguy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: datguy

. . . cutting off some little kids balls isn't going to make their mental issues disappear

And your expertise is what?

Transgender teens 7.6 times more likely to attempt suicide

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

YEAH MAYBE OF YOU DIDNT WANT TO CHANGE THEM AND ACCEPTED THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE THEY WOULDNT WANT TO KILL THEMSELVES, sry caps but im not retyping.

I am not dealing with a trans (yet), but I am dealing with a non-binary “open” born male high functioning Autistic 15 year old.

The sexuality in autism, trans, etc tend to crossover under the same umbrella.

I listen a LOT.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: datguy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: datguy

. . . cutting off some little kids balls isn't going to make their mental issues disappear

And your expertise is what?

Transgender teens 7.6 times more likely to attempt suicide

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

YEAH MAYBE OF YOU DIDNT WANT TO CHANGE THEM AND ACCEPTED THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE THEY WOULDNT WANT TO KILL THEMSELVES, sry caps but im not retyping.

I am not dealing with a trans (yet), but I am dealing with a non-binary “open” born male high functioning Autistic 15 year old.

The sexuality in autism, trans, etc tend to crossover under the same umbrella.

I listen a LOT.

I am sure you do more than listen as you seem very knowledgeable.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: datguy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: datguy

. . . cutting off some little kids balls isn't going to make their mental issues disappear

And your expertise is what?

Transgender teens 7.6 times more likely to attempt suicide

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

YEAH MAYBE OF YOU DIDNT WANT TO CHANGE THEM AND ACCEPTED THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE THEY WOULDNT WANT TO KILL THEMSELVES, sry caps but im not retyping.

I am not dealing with a trans (yet), but I am dealing with a non-binary “open” born male high functioning Autistic 15 year old.

The sexuality in autism, trans, etc tend to crossover under the same umbrella.

I listen a LOT.

I am sure you do more than listen as you seem very knowledgeable.

Well thanks. None of my kids were “normal”.

I’ve learned a lot along the way.

Self-esteem is #1 — no matter what. And when you’re dealing with exaggerated emotions/feelings, etc — it can be tricky.

Listening is an art.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: datguy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: datguy

. . . cutting off some little kids balls isn't going to make their mental issues disappear

And your expertise is what?

Transgender teens 7.6 times more likely to attempt suicide

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

YEAH MAYBE OF YOU DIDNT WANT TO CHANGE THEM AND ACCEPTED THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE THEY WOULDNT WANT TO KILL THEMSELVES, sry caps but im not retyping.

I am not dealing with a trans (yet), but I am dealing with a non-binary “open” born male high functioning Autistic 15 year old.

The sexuality in autism, trans, etc tend to crossover under the same umbrella.

I listen a LOT.

I am sure you do more than listen as you seem very knowledgeable.

Well thanks. None of my kids were “normal”.

I’ve learned a lot along the way.

Self-esteem is #1 — no matter what. And when you’re dealing with exaggerated emotions/feelings, etc — it can be tricky.

Listening is an art.

It sure is an art.

a reply to: Annee

Sounds like my cousin
he had to take ritalin when he was younger and no one knew he was autistic then (early 90's), he didn't display any of the normal traits that someone with autism would be presumed to have. As long as I have known him he has never been any kind of sexual, or at least expressed it and he is VERY vocal.


I think with autism, they are VERY aware of and influenced by their environment. And i'm not saying you specifically but
music, movies, T.V.'s ect, they don't forget the things they see or hear. I wont presume to know how all that information is processed for anyone with autism.
And even worse for you imagine is that he should be in prime puberty at his age, I personally was a bit wild back then, i dont regret the things i did but i dont do them anymore.

I think the fear that a child could be influenced to commit suicide is a greater concern for a parent, than anything autism or puberty can do to a growing child.