Evangelicals Rejecting Jesus Teachings as Being Too Liberal

a reply to: kwakakev

The second quote is not mine. Something mistaken, or just a fragment you wanted to call my attention to?

I suppose I am not referring to anything that significant by saying that one does not have to be a Christian to be a fighter. Highly technical. And yes you are correct in essence about the pen and the sword.


I appreciate that you are exploring things in your way. I suppose my foray here is not into any kind of emotional battlefront even though people might mistake eagerness for passion. So humble pie me to death I'll probably feel like it is affection. People take themselves too seriously.

Thank you for all your pie filled goodness.

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

uk evangelicals that run the Anglican church are the reverse, they'd rather take down and destroy all the crosses and symbols very few even believe in god or christianity and i'm talking of its priests.

i was in hospital (hyper acute wards) and the chaplains where like F*ck off to anyone who asked for last rites or even a blessing.. the nights on those wards where actually soul destroying as each night you had those close to death asking why me and begging for their god,and well begging for any comfort in their last hours.

that spiritual safeguarding was an important part of our society now like many of societies other safeguards its been virtually destroyed..

covid has crafted a deeply cruel society so in my mind its no wonder some would reject this attraction to cause those with beliefs as much pain/suffering as possible for the opposite extreme.

so seeing extreme is the inevitable outcome of destroying those safeguards for a new normal that revels in hurting others, christianity especially in the anglosphere has been here before and its a painful journey to return sanity/compassion to those that lack it especially in the church/positions of power..

its one of the reason i frame where we are as a modern reformation its one of the periods we flex out of but then back into belief.. can't have belief unless it has been challenged and you know who you are in yourself.

a reply to: firstofAkhet

or just a fragment you wanted to call my attention to?

Yeah, that one from Merman. I was too lazy to sort out all the formatting issues.

You don't have to have passion to debate.

I disagree. Merman has made it this far on ATS. Presents a strong position. There is no obligation for anyone to respond to anything on this site. There is a lot of stuff in that too hard basket.

a reply to: kwakakev

Ok but you are talking about the presentation of a strong position. Which kind of waddles the goalposts as he is no longer in the picture. I'm talking to you now. And I assert generally that yes you can debate as a sport. Not sure why you threw in the bit about obligation. You seem to be engaging in redundancy. Not sure why but okay.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
Evangelicans are rejecting "Liberal" teachings of Jesus

Another sign of the End Times.


I'm a little worried, because if it is the End Times and Judgement Day coming to fruition, why are they only going after the groups they don't like and letting the strong and greedy have their way with the Nation?

We're not in the end times "Gods final judgement" not even close, a nuclear holocaust or a meteor hitting earth wouldn't end us.

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
Evangelicans are rejecting "Liberal" teachings of Jesus

Another sign of the End Times.


I'm a little worried, because if it is the End Times and Judgement Day coming to fruition, why are they only going after the groups they don't like and letting the strong and greedy have their way with the Nation?

We're not in the end times "Gods final judgement" not even close, a nuclear holocaust or a meteor hitting earth wouldn't end us.

with the millenarists leading the west don't be to sure, Bush Blair fighting their biblical war in iraq is what has sent us down this road, a perfect example of the religious left and right working glove in hand.

originally posted by: nickyw

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
Evangelicans are rejecting "Liberal" teachings of Jesus

Another sign of the End Times.


I'm a little worried, because if it is the End Times and Judgement Day coming to fruition, why are they only going after the groups they don't like and letting the strong and greedy have their way with the Nation?

We're not in the end times "Gods final judgement" not even close, a nuclear holocaust or a meteor hitting earth wouldn't end us.

with the millenarists leading the west don't be to sure, Bush Blair fighting their biblical war in iraq is what has sent us down this road, a perfect example of the religious left and right working glove in hand.

Only God can wholly destroy us and this planet and when that happens that will be judgement day, as Christ said "only the Father knows when that day will be".

We're in a cycle that cant be stopped or changed, it can only be tweaked until it's destroyed.

a reply to: firstofAkhet

he is no longer in the picture

I disagree. First do you really know he is a he? I guess the post has that vibe and a good bet.

Secondly, by posting, Merman is now subscribed to this thread and can easily keep up with the discussion. Just because Merman has nothing to say to you now does not mean they will not in the future. Maybe they are asleep? Maybe they are going WTF? with your audacity.

Not sure why you threw in the bit about obligation.

Both you and Merman have relativity new accounts here. Just some friendly advice when getting some headbangers.

Does the article offer any proof besides the disgruntled accusations of a Never Trumper who seems to have been ostracized from the evangelical clergy?

a reply to: kwakakev


Why are you trying to tie me with someone on a message board, or insinuate whatever the heck it is about his gender.

This is silly. Go somewhere else if you want to do this. Just stop. Good God. I have no idea what a headbanger is. Okay now I'm convinced that you are being argumentative. Don't just be stupid.

Evangelicals rejecting Christs teaching. yeah. John 6 comes to mind.

53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

As for the article, I'm confused.
Was it blaming Trump for evangelicals rejecting Christs teaching?
I couldn't follow it.

originally posted by: Merman
a reply to: GENERAL EYES

They are wrong as there is nothing liberal about Christ. He is as severe as any of the OT prophets and even more severe.

What is liberal about this:

Matthew 10:34: “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Luke 12:5: "....fear the One who, after He has killed has authority to cast into Gehenna; yes, I tell you, fear Him."

Matthew 5:29: "....it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into Gehenna."

Matthew 24: 21 -22: For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now-and never to be equaled again. 22 "If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

After this read ALL of Revelation. It is a horror story for the whole human race that is manifesting in full force as I write. Read Revelation to see how much of the earth the Angels are destroying and will destroy.

Maybe it's not my calling to be a Fierce Warrior.

You were academically corrupt using that without sourcing me as the reference. You and I both know you took that from my thread yesterday.

I neither trust you for your timidity and being too much of a limp biscuit and I certainly don't trust the depraved, hypocritical evangelicals who vote for the disease that is Trump. If both of you are doing what your own hearts tell you and not understanding or even listening to what Christ and His Saints tell you then you are at the best gnostic and at the worst hypocrites. You need to read the BOOK and believe what it tells you, not make up a story of your own. You are not God's Word and neither are the evangelicals who are wolves in sheeps' guise. Look at their pastors! They are all millionaires having robbed their own congregations so they even may have a private jet in some cases. They all screw around behind their wives' congregations' backs. Their wives are happy to turn a blind eye because they have lovely houses with tidy lawns. That is not Christian. They are the Congregation of Satan and they will be swept away like burnt old stumps after the fire in the flash flood.

Do you dare to call me a liar for what I have told you here today or for what I wrote yesterday? See what happens if you call me a liar because what I am writing is from you know where. You are not allowed to call the Holy Spirit a liar. If you do then it is very serious.

I am telling you, my dunked biscuit amigo, that I am telling you the truth. Christ is not a limp biscuit. Yes, in spiritual terms, He is as fierce as David in battile and you know it.

When He returns He will be like this,

Revelation 19:11-16

"The Rider on a White Horse

11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in[a] blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords."

HE JUDGES AND MAKES WAR.

That is from the Angel telling John who Christ will be when He returns. Do you believe your hippy heart or do you believe John and the Angel?

Your hippy hearts are turning you all limp and you are not defending yourselves or your God. I am not like you. I am a fighter. i do not go gently into that good night. I will fight for my Lord. I am not a wobbling jelly, too frightened to face the dark symphony of THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.

There is a way to be a warrior and never throw a punch. I have always turned the other cheek. I never had a fight. Many of my enemies are actually DEAD in real terms for what they did to me. It scared me to watch what became of them.

Yes, I am a warrior for Christ but I never throw a punch, swipe my sword or shoot my gun. Christ's Sword is THE WORD. Did not John even tell you what it is. I am the ONWARDS CHRISTIAN SOULJAH!

Revelation 19:15: "Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty."

His Sword is in His mouth; SWORD, WORD (S)WORD.

In your thread how often did you even bother to quote Christ or His people? How many times have I done it? Who is being true to THE WORD and who is being true to their own timidity and own version as if they are their own Christ?

This is dope, haha, the last part of it could be nice lyrics for a track

a reply to: firstofAkhet

it makes no sense?

I have no idea what a headbanger is.

So humble pie me to death

I am trying to be firm, but gentle. i see you have much potential, but you come across as your worst bully at times. I know what that is like. I don't know if I can help, but trying.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES

originally posted by: pthena

Now my suspicion is that many who think themselves Christian may also be role-players. As such, earthly-minded hypocrites, would gladly assume the role of world power broker, or at the least, foot soldiers of the worldly power brokers. Therefore they will gladly fight to the death to secure a Christian dominant society, or endorse those fighters.

I have had my share of spiritual battles with forces I cannot claim to understand, and I have been at the mercy of very sadistic entities over the years, I won't get into the specifics, but there is nothing worse than feeling abandoned by God for me.

I just want to understand and hopefully one day see peac eon earth for all peaceful peoples and cultures, and end to war and poverty and an end to suffering.

I will not deny that I desire very much the promise of Heaven on Earth and the Kingdom Restored, and I see signs of such a world every day, people of various faiths and backgrounds all living peacefully and working together for a common shared goal.

That to me is Heaven. One doesn't need to be Christian exclusively, because God created All of Us.

Sometimes I dissociate from the news online, the trial and struggle in the world, the violence the war, the suffering and poverty because I don't neccecarily experience it in my own world as severely as others.

I look after the homeless, but I'm living subpoverty on disability benefits and rarely have material gains to help or assist as I'm barely making ends meet myself, but I try to be nice and helpful whenever possible. There are a lot of other groups in the area with more resources who step in where I cannot.

I am also aware of a great wickedness in the world right now, and I'm powerless against it.

Would I like to see these abuses purged?

Of course.

I would love and America where everyone had food and shelter, healthcare and the right to life.

I'm fighting for it, and am frequently called a socialist because of it.

But I digress and that's neither here nor there.

I have friends who would fall under the category of "subversives" but they are still learning who they are, I have friends who are gay, bisexual, transgender, wiccan, pagan, satanists, but they are kind and community oriented and many of them have told me how there are members of the community who just walk up to them and tell them they are goign to hell for who they are, or how they look.

I want no part of that kind of heaven.

I just worry because a lot of people these days professing loudly about their Christian Values hold anything but, and do no good works, instead squander their good fortune and worldly blessings and excess on their own self indulgence who seem they'd be more inclined to "wipe out" and exterminate anyone who didn't fit their aesthetic or worldview, or whom was percieved to be a drain on resources.

Targeting easily identified weaker targets is called scapegoating.

I grew up in that world, and I know how closeminded and ruthless these folks can be when they decide they've had enough.

It just breaks my heart.

God did create all of us, and for his namesake and glory, sent His son to die for us so we might be in his presence with Him after we die or raptured with glorified bodies. You must believe in original sin first before you can see the redemption of the cross. You must be broken utterly abandon any possibility you will ever escape hell without the blood of Christ taking that punishment for you. Nothing you do will ever be enough to earn heaven and stand before the presence of God, who created you, the earth and the infinite universe. He is thrice holy, so far removed from any concept, thing, or being you can think of even if given an endless amount of time and energy to contemplate. If you believe and accept His sacrfice to pay for your sins, His resurrection is now yours and forevermore are you a child of light, an adopted son of God, and joint heirs of Christ, destined to rule and reign over Earth with Christ for all eterntiy.

This is God's plan of redemption. This is the hope, Christianity. What makes you think if this is all true, God will accept anything else but the blood of his son as payment for our souls to enter heaven and have eternal life that we may know the one true eternal God and His song Jesus.

Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

This is precisely why Christians are persuted and in the end times, why the antichrist will wage holy war against those pesky Christians who seek to get in our way of seeking to become gods ourselves, making our own rules, just as the serpent said in Eden.

“For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

Truly, a true Christian cannot ever possibly cede the possibility its possible to enter heaven without Christ, for all other religions require good works and to be good enough to enter heaven. That is not Christianity, for why then did Christ die if even a single person could enter heaven without Him. He died because it is impossible, thus absolutely necessary He had to die to save us, to humble Himself to be fully man and enter into time and be humiliated and killed on our sakes, willingly and do so without ever knowing sin, therefore only He earned Heaven, and through Him, we may also have eternal life and resurrection with God.

If you call yourself a Christian, I hope you repent of this notion and idea, do more research and any Christian or pastor who claims there are other paths are false teachers, cough cough, Joel Esteen.

Does this make sense why its not possible to hold this idea and be Chrisitian. It addresses the very heart of the gospel - thus salvation.

Furthermore, be very careful here.

We are not at liberty at judging what God has told us through His Word. If he says gay people won't enter heaven, believe it. Why? Because He is God and has a plan, a Will, and has infinite Wisdom and can see the end of all things, seeing the future as easily as the past and preset, being above time itself, which is precisely why He can give us prophecies.

Consider this, sex is holy, for man and woman. To pervert this is to attack family, the heart of what it means to be human. Children with both parents are the most blessed and priveleaged according to sociology and success, health, long life etc. God knows best. Gay people spread disease more than not. Sex outside marriage spread disease and death. If God says satanists will go to hell without repenting and turning to Christ believe Him, why? Are you kidding? What's wrong with you. Adversaries of God will never be allowed in heaven.

In the end times, people will be as fools, deny God's existence or making God's up for themselves, having preachers tickle there ears to hear what they want - never paying attention to God's holiness. How can an enternal infinite living God allow sin in his presence, which is death and all thiigs contrarty to His existence. God has never sinned ever. He can never lie. It's impossible for sinful creature to be near and see God without dying instantly, or for them to enter heaven without the blood of Christ, for life is in the blood and is required by God Judiciously for remission of sin, which is death, so life must be sacrificed to pay for the death of sin.

I hope you repent, aka change your mind on these ideas you have of yours.

a reply to: kwakakev


Stop with all the bully stuff. I have no idea what you mean by my worst "bully" but its probably very wrong lol. You are being unclear and kind of shifting words around and I would like to get this settled but we are on another person's thread and this stuff just wears down the debate. I'm open to the fact you are misperceiving. Perhaps we should settle this elsewhere.

a reply to: firstofAkhet

Perhaps we should settle this somewhere else.

In terms of Jesus being liberal, sure, will send a PM soon.

To get back on topic, Alex Antic is a Liberal party member here in Oz. I like him.

Um...

Ok Gnite.

a reply to: TTU77

Gay people don't enter heaven because of their psychology, there's no truth in them.

Gays vote democrat because they can't see the lie, and the reason they cant see the lie is because the truth evades them, if you have no truth inside you, you can't see it, truth evades you.

Yeah, I labor thru this opinion piece. It's bunk. It's another slander against Christians, from someone that doesn't understand the religion and we all know it's just fine to denigrate Christians.

originally posted by: Cwantas
a reply to: TTU77

Gay people don't enter heaven because of their psychology, there's no truth in them.

If there is no truth in them, are they saved? Is that what you are implying?

I'm not disagreeing, but perhaps we are using different terminology. Nor would I say they don't enter heaven because they refuse to repent of their sin, for nowhere in the bible does it ever say repent from your sin and believe on Jesus. It does say repent and believe on Jesus, but repent does not mean turn from sin, but change one's mind.

Otherwise, could not turning from sin be viewed as a work, and how can one turn from sin, when the Law proved humans can't, so Jesus had to die to fulfill the law. It's like say, do something that is impossible for you to do, to accept the gift was given to you because it was impossible for you to do. Ya see.

But, perhaps the truth you mention could be, if one repents and believes on the name of Jesus, abides in him through the word and thus in the vine, and thus producing fruit or perhaps the gift of godly sorrow upon repentance of the sin of sexual immorality (gayness), so they now, having believed and being sanctified, now show the fruit of the believe by repenting of the sin and they do so willingly, out of a love of holiness and rightousness, claiming the gift of freedom from sin. At this place, can the work be the fruit of believe and not the means of salvation.

Perhaps, Im being a bit pedantic here.