US Hegemony and its Perils

This is an interesting document put out by the Chinese govt. Unusual in the sense that the Chinese are usually more staid and statesman like than this, but it appears now they have simply given up on any pretence of being able to get along with the US.

It has some exaggeration but I can't find much that would be clearly wrong. I doubt it is directed at the US who have always been too preoccupied with their own "exceptionalism" to care what other countries think, but more of a rallying call particularly to its allies and the "global south" in lieu of a war that the US seems intent on starting, unfortunately.

It doesn't say anything people don't already know, but certainly contains some dark humour. Such as reference to the "United States of Sanctions" lol. There is also this gem of a paragraph in chapter 2 entitled "Military Hegemony - Wanton Use of Force".

According to the book America Invades: How We've Invaded or been Militarily Involved with almost Every Country on Earth, the United States has fought or been militarily involved with almost all the 190-odd countries recognized by the United Nations with only three exceptions. The three countries were "spared" because the United States did not find them on the map.

It's not a terribly long document but anything devoting a whole chapter to US "culture" is bound to be brief (lol). For Americans it would be worth a read just to get an idea of how a large portion of the world views the US. Not only the poorer countries that have been exploited but many within the so called "modern western liberal democracy" set that are allies (within their populations at least, even if their leaders would never say it out loud).

There is something fitting here amongst the subtle sarcasm, as the US in recent times has gone so askew and off the rails as to risk becoming a source of morbid curiosity and entertainment for the world, and has become a caricature of itself. There are all sorts of lists such as this and this to corroborate what the Chinese are saying (as if that were necessary). The US is not a country that enjoys minding its own business, to say the least lol.

As pointed out by academics like Mearsheimer, China won't have to do anything wrong to find itself at war with the US. The US simply won't stand for perceived peers or competitors to its world dominance. Unfortunately for them the corporate greed that facilitated China's rise means the US has left it too late. China will overtake them in every way and will beat a waning US militarily if necessary.

Interesting times we live in.

The US does not act alone they act with the United Nations who all sanction and don't mind their own business when it comes to international peace and security. The Chinese Government can't even take a joke.

The offending remark was made during a stand-up performance in Beijing on Saturday, when Mr Li alluded to two dogs he had adopted which were chasing a squirrel.

"Other dogs you see would make you think they are adorable. These two dogs only reminded me of... 'Fight to win, forge exemplary conduct'," said Mr Li, whose stage name is House.

The punchline is part of the slogan that President Xi unveiled in 2013 as a goal for the Chinese military.

In audio shared to China's Twitter-like platform Weibo, audience members can be heard laughing at the joke. It has since gone viral, with some nationalists saying they were offended by the joke.

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"The dogs of war".

Look forward to reading this but respectfully I rarely believe whatever dogma any government spouts out. The US included, pretty sure most ATSers lean that way to varying degrees. In other words, I'd take what Beijing says in regards to US hegemony with a bottle of Kikoman Soy sauce.

I do find it interesting that China and seemingly Russia too now grudgingly admit the US is just a step or two above them in the pecking order. As a child of the Cold War that wasn't always the case, perhaps we were oversold the threat. REGARDLESS once that happened no doubt the cock of the walk, the king rooster is going to do some pecking. Probably rightfully so after all they spent trillions to achieve a victory in the first Cold War, after all, America is dancing around with all its internal turmoil, and a decrepit administration and it still has enough chutzpa to keep Russia and China at bay. And yea I believe a second cold war is looming on the horizon.

What's the saying? War is diplomacy by other means. It would seem the US has been better at diplomacy and has thus had more of a positive influence on other countries than not. Capitalism beat 2 different versions of communism, on the world's stage and now the losers are a tad upset.

First of all...WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHINESE ARE THINKING

originally posted by: quintessentone
The US does not act alone they act with the United Nations who all sanction and don't mind their own business when it comes to international peace and security.

I would like to add that I doubt those critical of US govt foreign policy include the general population in those criticisms. It becomes quite obvious from posts like this a lot of Americans have little idea what their govt does outside their borders.

Remember when the voices in dubbya's head told him to invade Iraq? You really think that the UN supported that? (Kofi Annan openly called the invasion "ïllegal" on behalf of the UN)

The overthrow of democratically elected Mosadegh by the UK/US and installation of a tyrant (Shah)? Which became their go to successful regime change model. Think you'll find the courts ruled in Mosadegh's favour (re socialising Iran's oil industry) and that's why they orchestrated the coup. Backed by the UN?

Did the UN back the sale of weapons to Iran to fund the Contras in Nicaragua? This was against all manner of rules within the US itself. lol (an arms embargo on Iran, a ban on funding the Contras).

Afghanistan?

Vietnam?

Grenada? (UN Resolution 38/7 "deeply deplores" the armed intervention in Grenada).

You do realise that the UN has passed a motion every year since 1992 to end the economic embargo on Cuba (after 60 yrs)? The UN has openly condemned it for 30 straight years (Israel and the US are the only countries who regularly vote in favour of it).

The list is almost endless (as the Chinese document points out). No country on earth minds their own business less than the US.

The Chinese Government can't even take a joke.

The offending remark was made during a stand-up performance in Beijing on Saturday, when Mr Li alluded to two dogs he had adopted which were chasing a squirrel.

"Other dogs you see would make you think they are adorable. These two dogs only reminded me of... 'Fight to win, forge exemplary conduct'," said Mr Li, whose stage name is House.

The punchline is part of the slogan that President Xi unveiled in 2013 as a goal for the Chinese military.

In audio shared to China's Twitter-like platform Weibo, audience members can be heard laughing at the joke. It has since gone viral, with some nationalists saying they were offended by the joke.


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"The dogs of war".

No idea what you're getting at with this or how it's relevant. But that comedian might be in luck, the Ukraine could be looking for a new comedian quite soon.

originally posted by: musicismagic
First of all...WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHINESE ARE THINKING

The Pentagon knows what they are doing though.

“If China continues the pace of its nuclear expansion, it will likely field a stockpile of about 1,500 warheads by its 2035 timeline,” the report states. This statement extrapolates the Pentagon's estimate from the previous year, which said that Beijing may be able to amass 700 warheads by 2027 and 1,000 by 2030.

www.armscontrol.org...#:~:text=%E2%80%9CIf%20China%20continues%20the%20pac e,2027%20and%201%2C000%20by%202030

What was that again OP about hegemony and perils?

a reply to: Quintilian
So what about China's domestic policy? Major human rights abuses? Yeah I know we waterboarded some people but China locks their whole family up. Maybe our foreign policy is to keep China and Russia on a leash and rightfully so! The Chinese will never beat the US militarily. They might want to stick to buying American politicians because in combat the only thing they will find is death.

a reply to: Quintilian

The US typically uses human rights violations as its basis for some sort of action, military or otherwise. China, well known for what westerners consider human rights violations, could easily debase the US by being very public in some human rights violations, daring the US to intervene. We won't, for the same reasons we never have before - China isn't some little third world country we can manipulate to our advantage.

The whole world knows we cant float a carrier group near Chinese territorial waters and intimidate them the way we do with some other countries. We can rattle our sabers as much as we want, China will just rattle theirs back at us. The US is going to get caught in a "hold me back moment" with fists clenched and elbows thrust outward for the UN to grab and hold on to. The problem is the UN is loosening its grip little by little and at some point will just stand aside and say, "Well? Have at it..."

originally posted by: Quintilian
But that comedian might be in luck, the Ukraine could be looking for a new comedian quite soon.

Yea if Russia thinks it's bad right now, try regime change on Zelenskky now. If you think the Ukrainians are enflamed now, imagine their disposition if an accident was to befall our little comedian now. Want to talk history, World Wars have been started for less, lots less. Make Zelenskky a martyr, they will be yelling his name on the battlefields of Ukraine for decades.

Again not a fan of Ukraine Zelenskky, the war, or America's massive financial and arms, and munitions expenditure, it is however the reality and once engaged the MIC isn't gonna stop till the politicians negotiate. Putin's war has been one miscalculation on top of another, tripling down and taking out Zelenskky now would freak out Europe and the UK and probably escalate it into the rest of Europe. LOL, you just think the US is wielding its influence now, hell part of me thinks this administration wants full war. It distracts from its failures and would likely make the whole Biden clan incredibly rich, especially if something as overt as regime change in Ukraine occurred

Not to mention that type of "influence" and regime change is what China and Russia are whining and moaning about, to begin with.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

The US Nimitz Carrier Strike Group seems to be floating about quite happily in the South China Sea?

news.usni.org...#:~:text=The%20Nimitz%20Ca rrier%20Strike%20Group,News%20Fleet%20and%20Marine%20Tracker.

"Nimitz Carrier Strike Group is in the South China Sea and the Makin Island Amphibious Ready Group is operating in the Sulu Sea, according to the USNI News Fleet and Marine Tracker. Meanwhile, the People’s Liberation Army Navy Shandong Carrier Strike Group continues its training patrol in the Pacific.

The Nimitz CSG is operating in the South China Sea, conducting training among surface, air, and undersea assets, as well as flight operations with fixed and rotary wing aircraft, according to a Navy news release issued Sunday.

“The Nimitz Carrier Strike Group is fulfilling a promise to our allies and partners in the region – we aren’t going anywhere,” Rear Adm. Christopher Sweeney, the commander of Carrier Strike Group 1, said in the release. “Our presence in the region reinforces open sea lines of communication and the rules-based international order. Our commitment to our allies and partners in the region remains ironclad as we promote a free and open Indo-Pacific.”

This is the third time the CSG has operated in the South China Sea during its deployment to the Indo-Pacific, the release noted.

The Nimitz CSG deployed from the West Coast on Dec."

The US wants to dominate the world through its Hegemony and according to Max Bot its pax Americana.


Changing values of another country.
To become more like America.

a reply to: vNex92

Meanwhile, Russia is engaged in it's War to change the values of another Country.

To become more like Russia.

No?

originally posted by: musicismagic
First of all...WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHINESE ARE THINKING

Sure we do.

They're thinking what all good little commies do.

WORLD DOMINATION.

And there is no one to stop them.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Oh, we can go there and run practice drills all day long. The thing is, it won't intimidate China the way it does other smaller countries with vastly differing military budgets than ours.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

OK.

Of course, the Nimitz CSG is not in the least bit intimidating. To anyone.

I see.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Oh, we can go there and run practice drills all day long. The thing is, it won't intimidate China the way it does other smaller countries with vastly differing military budgets than ours.

So they aren't intimidated, so what?

What are they going to do about it, piss and moan perhaps write a tersely written statement on the government website.

All the US has said is it will defend Taiwan and ultimately Japan,South Korea, Guam, and the Philippines. Just because China doesn't like it, doesn't mean the US should alter its thoughts on the subject. After all how long have we had a communist country 90 miles off our coast?

All of that Asia/Pacific doctrine form the US has been established for quite a while, has it not?

a reply to: Quintilian

The Present U.S. Federal Government Acts on it's Own Accord Without the Majority Support of the American People . It has Gone Rogue............

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

It's been elected, so does it need a people's referendum before it does anything?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2




oblivious

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adjective

Lacking conscious awareness; unmindful.
Lacking all memory; forgetful.
Promoting oblivion; causing forgetfulness.

originally posted by: vNex92
The US wants to dominate the world through its Hegemony and according to Max Bot its pax Americana.


Changing values of another country.
To become more like America.

It's funny how none of America's country buddies are exactly like America, most of them ridicule us, America doesn't care because

American corporations are making tons of money with their "influence" and "investments", nothing more nothing less.

other countries do business with China and Russia because they have to, and countries do business with the US because they want to. They know US membership has its privileges...our politicians make loads of money in foreign countries and so do those countries leaders