RESTRICT Act Could Imprison VPN Users For 20 Years, Ban Free Speech - The Internet 'PATRIOT ACT'

a reply to: Hypntick

I'm running on old hardware from the 1990's and I'm probably very out of the loop in a lot of things, I won't deny that.

I won't even BEGIN to go into what I endured as a result of the Patriot Act.

I might be foolish to still have hope that our Government hasn't been completely taken over by deranged lunatics.

I can hope though.

originally posted by: ancientlight
There are no words. This is not America anymore. And some people still can't see we're heading for full blown communism!

This is worse than communism. This is fullblown technocratic dictatorship that uses psychological warfare to create cult-like behavior on a mass scale. The next step will be sophisticated AI that controls every aspect of our lives in the name of safety and security, and for those who fall in line, the mainstream cult will gladly support the culling of dangerous free thinkers.

a reply to: TonyS

Spokesperson Rachel Cohen told Newsweek that the provisions only apply when someone is "engaged in 'sabotage or subversion' of communications technology in the U.S., causing 'catastrophic effects' on U.S. critical infrastructure

As you pointed out this language is not in the bill. Therefore these "rules" do not apply.

originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: ArchangelOger
with this, you could be imprisoned if you're lucky. Twenty years for using a VPN, period.

I didn't read the entire thing, but I did a text search of the entire bill and VPN appears exactly ZERO times.

I'm not saying this thing is a good thing, but god I get so tired of people making claims that turn out to be false.

So, what am I missing?

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
You guys are really naive about the realities of cyberwarfare aren't you?

So, you support outlawing hammers (or guns) because they can and have been used to commit murder?

There are lots of legitimate uses for VPNs that don't involve kiddie porn/abuse or snuff films.

That said, I think the effects of this bill are being dramatically overhyped.

First, it doesn't say anything about VPNs, and second, it is limited to FOREIGN communications with a very small number of 'adversary' countries, namely, the usual suspects (Russia, China, N Korea, Cuba, Iran)...

Of course, that doesn't mean it can't be abused, and/or that list expanded, but the reality is, it simply does not affect purely internal communications (Americans to other Americans).

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: Silcone Synapse

I have no need for a VPN and have no trouble online accessing the information I need worldwide.

Good for you.

Just because you have nothing to hide does not mean that the government should be able to spy on you and collect, catalog and record every scrap of data involving your online activities.

In other words, I don't care if you're ok with it, I'm not, and any such actions by the government would be a gross and blatant violation of the Constitution.

Of course, thats never stopped any of these mad hatters before.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: Silcone Synapse

Are you so completely unaware how many people are intentionally posting violent, gore, death and suicides on kids apps?

I assure you it is far less than you appear to be making it out to be.

You gonna tell a six year old browsing TIk TOk for funny videos to just "suck it up" after he gets a vid of someone blowing their brains out?

You gonna pay the therapy bill?

No, but a) I'm gonna call any parent who allows their 6 year old to have their own smart phone, let alone install and/or use any apps unsupervised, is a - what word was that you used - nah, dolt doesn't fit... no, they're an unfit parent and a moron, and b) the parent should pay the therapy bill since it is their fault the 6 yr old was exposed to something they should never have been exposed to.

My kids (8, and twins are 5) likely won't have their own phone until they are at least 16, if not 18.

originally posted by: ArchangelOger
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

I'm not a TikTok user, so what is your complaint? A VPN has nothing to do with that unless you use TikTok and if you use both oh well. Or am I overlooking something?

yes, you are overlooking the fact that they can say anything is a security risk.

not sure why people don't care about privacy and overreach of government.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: ArchangelOger
with this, you could be imprisoned if you're lucky. Twenty years for using a VPN, period.

I didn't read the entire thing, but I did a text search of the entire bill and VPN appears exactly ZERO times.

I read the entire thing (even found a grammatical error) and can't find where someone would get the idea that a VPN will get you thrown in jail and fined. I'm not a lawyer, nor that smart, so it could be that I can't spot clever use of words that would make using a VPN illegal in some way.

There's reference to "in use by greater than 1,000,000 persons". It appears a few times but I wonder why they settled on that number. Does it mean that anything less than that can be used by a foreign adversary to cause harm?

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
a reply to: tanstaafl
I read the entire thing (even found a grammatical error) and can't find where someone would get the idea that a VPN will get you thrown in jail and fined. I'm not a lawyer, nor that smart, so it could be that I can't spot clever use of words that would make using a VPN illegal in some way.

It is possible, but another false claim was made that this bill applies to purely domestic interactions, and it explicitly applies only to FOREIGN communications, and specifically only those involving 'adversarial' countried, meaning, Russia, China, NK, Iran, etc... the usual suspects.

Anyway, like I said, I'm really tired of the hype around things like this. I mean, we should try to be better than the MSM at least when it comes to discussing things among each other..

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
There's a new bill being proposed to address issues with TikTok called the RESTRICT Act. It was allegedly created to address the national security concerns with the Chinese application, but it's a trojan horse that destroys your rights on the internet just like the PATRIOT act did when it was supposedly passed to address "terrorism." The RESTRICT Act specifies that private citizens who use VPN could face 20 years in prison as they could be deemed a threat. Essentially it bans internet free speech, and could even eliminate cryptocurrency like Bitcoin. This is in lockstep with the lockdown of the internet in preparation for the Great Reset, digital ID and social credit. It's all connected and it's all coming fast and furious now. TikTok is a strawman.

The RESTRICT Act is not limited to just TikTok. It gives the government authority over all forms of communication domestic or abroad and grants powers to “enforce any mitigation measure to address any risk” to national security now and in any “potential future transaction”

So what happens if you are designated a national security threat? What can they access of yours to confirm it? Everything.
Notice the preemptive attack on quantum encryption in there, too.

It also allows the Director of National Intelligence and Secretary of Commerce the authority to universally designate new “Foreign Adversaries” without notifying congress and a 15 day window to notify the president. It also requires a joint resolution of Congress to overturn.

If you recall from before, “Foreign Individuals” can now also be US citizens that are deemed a national security threat. Once designated, the bill grants authority to enforce any action deemed necessary to mitigate the threat, with no due process and few limits on punishments.

After the federal government has detained you without due process to mitigate the “immediate threat” you pose, what kind of punishments await you in court? $1,000,000 fine, 20 years in prison and forfeiture of everything you own.

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There is no doubt that anonymity is highly disliked by systems of rule & commerce. I would not worry much , because Artificial Intelligence will or has already made us all transparent to those who want to peer .
In the end , unless you are up to dangerous things who cares who looks at you outside of criminals .
Who are the criminals is the million dollar question

originally posted by: musicismagic
Digital ID. ITS HERE TO ONLY TO CONTROL OUR BEHAVIOR

NOW IF THEY ONLY PUT HUNTER BIDEN IN BARS FOR FALSIFYING GUN REGISTRATION.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TWO SETS OF RULES WITH THIS REGULATION TOO GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES EXCUSE NON-GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES GO TO JAIL.

Well that settles it then. We'll just get government jobs and BAM! Immediate excuse for all crimes. What is ALSO needed to make that work is you have to be a NAZI!

a reply to: tanstaafl

So, what am I missing?

COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY PRODUCTS

Applies to any hardware or software with a million American users.

(6) software designed or used primarily for connecting with and communicating via the internet that is in use by greater than 1,000,000 persons in the United States at any point during the year period preceding the date on which the covered transaction is referred to the Secretary for review or the Secretary initiates review of the covered transaction, including—

(A) desktop applications;

(B) mobile applications;

(C) gaming applications;

(D) payment applications; or

(E) web-based applications; or

VPNs fit into both A and B. A good VPN is based in a country without an extradition treaty with your home country. Aka doesn't respond to warrants, but civilized enough to know providing a service is more profitable in the long run than setting up a scam VPN to steal data.

(C) is interesting because huge MMOs have Russian and Chinese "whales" (big spenders). Chinese and Korean "gold farmers" (trades in-game items for real money), And if you play against Americans, you need a VPN so you don't get "swatted". (Swat teams attack your home based on lies.)

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
You guys are really naive about the realities of cyberwarfare aren't you?

You have absolutely NO IDEA what's going on with the dark web, VPN's and the sale and production and trade of child abuse pornography, snuff videos to name a few and all other horrific stuff because you're too busy freaking out over MSM articles and minutia to the tune of "outrage of the day".

Do you have any idea how much illegal activity is going on under VPN's in clandestine channels online?

You think the grooming and sickness is just gender activists and drag queen storytime?

You really are sheltered.

Count your blessings.

If you think it’s gonna end with child traffickers you must not have seen what happened during the summer of love vs Jan 6. The government chose whom to let off and even bail out or cover their fines depending on whom the person votes for while those on the wrong side are being absolutely tortured to oblivion and sent to prison because they fell for stooges set up to coax them inside a building and under a camera system which then used both facial recognition and plastering their faces online for tattle tales to identify.

You can bet your butt before any twisted politician went to jail or even child traffickers, if the democrat party regains control the very first thing that will happen is the ruining of more conservatives. I mean for gods sake, warren, Pelosi, aoc, so many of them told the world that it was important to keep a list of those who voted against them so they could retaliate when time came.

I’d be terrified giving them an inch after they already took control over search engines and enforced political censorship already and when they did we all said just wait, they say that’s the end but they will take more and here it is. Soon your computer usage will be screen captured by video and the copy sent to a new organization to review it all. Your banking, your taxes, your fighting, your love letters, and your wanking!

No, but a) I'm gonna call any parent who allows their 6 year old to have their own smart phone, let alone install and/or use any apps unsupervised, is a - what word was that you used - nah, dolt doesn't fit... no, they're an unfit parent and a moron, and b) the parent should pay the therapy bill since it is their fault the 6 yr old was exposed to something they should never have been exposed to.

You're right. But some of us don't have the power or authority to draw a line..due to our wonderful system, and all we are left to do is fight the peripheries and make a difference where we can. Good for You that You have control of your environment..at least someone does, now I know the fight is worth it …thank you.

originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: tanstaafl

VPNs fit into both A and B.

Nope. VPNs are not specific communication applications, They are general purpose encrypted tunnels.

Communication applications are something like Tik-Tok, or Signal, or the dozens of others.

But, said communications are only 'subject to' said law when one of the adversarial countries on the list of adversarial countries are involved.

Purely domestic communications are 100% exempt.

At least for now. Again, I'm not defending this law, I'm merely pointing out the FUD being spread about what it does and does not do.

And in its proposed form, it does not encompass VPNs in any way, nor does it encompass purely domestic communications.

originally posted by: didntasktobeborned
But some of us don't have the power or authority to draw a line..due to our wonderful system, and all we are left to do is fight the peripheries and make a difference where we can.

I'm not sure what you are saying... are you in a country where parents are unable to have a say in when or even if their children are allowed to have smart phones, tablets, etc etc?

Yes. The USA. just depends on who can afford superior litigatory services.Lawyers run shi# here.a reply to: tanstaafl

Further Reading:

www.zerohedge.com...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Jason79
a reply to: tanstaafl

VPNs fit into both A and B.

Nope. VPNs are not specific communication applications, They are general purpose encrypted tunnels.

Communication applications are something like Tik-Tok, or Signal, or the dozens of others.

But, said communications are only 'subject to' said law when one of the adversarial countries on the list of adversarial countries are involved.

Purely domestic communications are 100% exempt.

At least for now. Again, I'm not defending this law, I'm merely pointing out the FUD being spread about what it does and does not do.

And in its proposed form, it does not encompass VPNs in any way, nor does it encompass purely domestic communications.

It's a bit gobbledygooked, but this could be read to imply that "any person" using a VPN to access an app controlled by a "foreign adversary" or its alleged minions is subject to the secretary's ire. Hence anyone using a VPN to access TikTok would be in trouble—specifically, subject to up to $1 million in fines, 20 years in prison, or both.