Kecksburg UFO Crash on Unsolved Mysteries

What is significant here is important to understand

Every event should always be judged for itself.

In other words, for example, we know the Us GOV lies and will lie. Though sometimes, even known liars tell the truth when it has either a self-interest involved in a particular event or its of mundane value only.

We tend to (human nature) always want to judge something by what we have experienced of something or someone in the past.

That is a mistake, IMO.

Therefore, sometimes the gov may tell the truth, and the witnesses we have known in past ufo events to be lying doesn’t mean witnesses in other events are lying.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

The Blue Book files on the case can be read here : www.fold3.com...

It's a rather cumbersome page by page system. But the summary would be.

1. Team of 3 men sent out from Oakdale Radar Station [662nd Radar Squadron] and searched area until 2am alongside State Highway Patrol.
2. They were unsuccessful in finding any object.
3. An 'object' had been seen visually but not picked up by radar.
4. No Space Debris entered the atmosphere on Dec 9th 1965.
5. Lt. James Cashman called Project Blue Book from Oakdale at 2 a.m. declaring they had found nothing.


Of course we don't know what we don't know. There may be other files out there that I haven't yet come across. Or were lost back in the day

There doesn't appear to be any alert called. Radar didn't actually pick up anything!! But if the meteor was too high and simply passed overhead, creating the illusion it had crashed in the woods then radar wouldn't necessarily have picked anything up.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

There's something off about NASA's involvement or none involvement in this case for sure. A lot of things don't add up.

I shall keep on digging for a little while longer.

a reply to: mirageman

Yeah Kecksburg is a tough nut (acorn) to crack for me ….for now.

The only reason for, if any large military presence, is ….imo…Project Moon Dust reasons. But I don’t see it.


As for Der Glocke…….it probably was retrieved by the French Underground and given to Quasimodo … the Hunchback of Notre Dame Bell Ringer…..

Perhaps somebody should try and séance him 😉


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The contemporaneous news reports from Dec 10th 1965 are relatively consistent with each other and Blue Book's reports.

Evening Standard 10th Dec 1965
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...Kecksburg firemen, a detail of State Police and four members of the Army's 662nd Radar Unite from Pittsburgh searched a 15 sq mile area from 7pm to 2am today.

Capt. Dussia said this morning "We found no fire and no marks. We used Geiger counters but found nothing. We definitely believe it was a meteor."

Residents..reported ground flashes at 9:30pm, 11pm and 1:30 this morning.

A team of newsmen this morning was making a search.

If there was a huge Army presence with cranes and flatbed trucks then it was covered up extremely well by the media. The ground flashes may well have come from the search parties in the woods.

Anyone know where to find a copy or transcript of John Murphy's "Object in the Woods" documentary?

Oh my days

I've found the object in the woods. It's been hidden in plain sight all this time.

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originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: mirageman

One must remember………NASA…..stands for Never A Straight Answer

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More often, 'Nincompoops Always See Aliens". ??

Seriously, what's your favorite non-straight answer from NASA on any of those stories you love?

No but I sometimes value there insight and there responses to post's haha, you know some of us are taking our orders from off world as well though we call ourselves Christians - and take a little bit of affront to the idea of our leader being an alien until we remember he came from Heaven, took on an earth form and after dying then getting up from death proving a far higher dimensional state than your common homo sapiens then went back up to heaven and has promised to come back again.

He though is as far above your average alien meat in a flying can as we are about your average amoeba and calling that foolish as a belief really would be arrogant and damned stupid don't you agree.

I don’t think there is evidence it was a ufo; well, it was a ufo but not the alien kind. It’s a possibility but no evidence of it.
If you believe some of the witnesses, it may be some kind of US contraption or some foreign contraption that the US is, as usual, covering up.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: mirageman

The only reason for, if any large military presence, is ….imo…Project Moon Dust reasons. But I don’t see it.

About Operation Moon Dust….and perhaps a different UFO case…but shows Moon Dust existed…IF this document is legit


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a reply to: mirageman

Hey man,

Great OP.


Have you seen the operators manual or whatever it's called for the moon rover?


Apparently the two batteries on the rover could only operate between 40 degrees Fahrenheit and 125 degrees Fahrenheit.

The daytime temperature on the moon can reach a boiling 250 degrees Fahrenheit.

I've read the moon buggy manual and understand they had ways of combating the heat,insulation and reflective coating.

But when they filmed the lunar takeoff during the Apollo 17 they position the rover so that the takeoff could be live streamed to earth.

Apparently the camera only malfunctioned due to overheating after 27 hours which mean swe can conclude the batteries were work up until that moment.

These things make me skeptical and also feel guilty because it insults the achievements of the astronauts, their bravery and ingenuity as well as the scientists remotely involved all the way from earth.


And I so badly want to believe everything happened as reported.


I've operated in 158 degrees Fahrenheit for hours at a time and your short term memory takes one hell of a beating.

I would look at information, then try to manually write it down and in that second I would forget what it was I was looking at.

Going to the moon has been the ultimate adventure and display of bravery and ingenuity but... I have questions.

Interesting chapter……

Project Moon Dust Chapter 8 The History of Project Moon Dust by Kevin D. Randle, Captain, U.S.A.F.R

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a reply to: 19Bones79

Sorry, I'm confused by your reply.

How was the Apollo moon rover connected to the incident in Kecksburg in 1965?

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Some form of retrieval plan will be in place to this day for recovering space technology! I'd bet your house on it Ophi!

There is a bit more to the Project Blue Book report I've found written by UFO journalist Leslie Kean. There was a handwritten report. But it was not released with other Blue Book files!

Maxwell Air Force Base sent CFi the December 1965 Historical Record of the 662nd Radar Squadron based in Oakdale the same document released to Stan Gordon years earlier that provided the relevant names. The squadron had a liaison officer with Project Blue Book, and it was from the Oakdale base, about 50 miles from Kecksburg, that the three man team was sent to search for the object.

One officer, James Cashman, later called Blue Book headquarters from Oakdale to report that nothing was found, according to the Blue Book files, although he was not one of those sent out on the search. Our private investigator was able to locate Cashman and three other key personnel from the 662nd, and Gordon interviewed a fifth in 1991.

Only one of these, a lieutenant whom I will not name to respect his privacy, said he actually went out to search for the object that night. This officer said he did not observe any Army presence in the area, any excess civilian activity, or the large spotlights in the woods observed by witnesses and reporter John Murphy.

This seems impossible if he was anywhere near the correct location, and directly contradicts press reports about the large military presence and civilian crowds. He said he and three other members of the 662nd searched the woods with flashlights and found nothing. It is revealing that puzzling discrepancies exist among key points of the various accounts, as well as between aspects of the statements of these officers and reports from both the media and Project Blue Book.

For example, the lieutenant who searched the woods said there were four in his search team; another officer told us that he had driven with the team to a nearby barrack while two from Oakdale conducted the search with a state trooper. (This could have been the three man team referred to by Blue Book, although Blue Book said that the three were all from Oakdale.)

Another officer told me there was no search at all, and that the reports coming in to the Oakdale base concerned only an object in the sky and not an object on the ground. He remembers very well the high volume of calls from the local area and speaking to some of the callers, and says that if there had been a search, he definitely would have known. He was adamant that there wasn't one. And yet another told me that the object was a Russian satellite, but insisted that he made that determination only from newspaper and television reports.

According to Project Blue Book records, Cashman called Blue Book headquarters at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base twice from the Oakdale base, including a final call at 2 a.m., to report that nothing was found. Oddly, Cashman says he has no memory of any event, phone calls, or heightened activity at that time. He stated that he was the Blue Book liaison officer (as stated in the Blue Book files), as opposed to the lieutenant who told me he was the Blue Book officer. We are not certain whether these contradictory and

..... After the Air Force search for the object was completed, the lieutenant who searched prepared a handwritten investigation report as required by Air Force regulations, which was then typewritten by an administrative specialist (the same person who told me he believed the object was a Russian satellite, oddly enough). For reasons unknown, this report, which documented the unsuccessful search for the object, was not included with the Blue Book case files on the Kecksburg incident at the National Archives. It was an inconclusive report that it could have been a meteorite,” the former lieutenant, now 62, told me in a 2003 telephone interview.

International UFO Report V30 no.1

The piece speculates that the Blue Book team may have actually been led to the wrong site and were reporting truthfully!

a reply to: mirageman

You mentioned NASA shenanigans.

a reply to: mirageman

Ok…..that pretty much answers my……”where’s the Report by the Oakdale team”….that had to have been written. Thx.

Now who’s the buffoon who possibly led the team to the wrong area to search? and was it intentional to steer the Oakdale team away for a unknown reason…….or was it just some Wrong Way Willie Hillbilly?

I’m now smelling possible Moon Dust involvement…….If a Moon Dust retrieval team was involved…..then they would have had the experience from previous recovery retrieval operations and logistical means to get possibly to the “Kecksburg witnessed” area of the purported object.

No one here is mentioning Project Moon Dust as a possibility……imo….I think that team may be the key to this mystery. They could have been mobilized. A team such as Moon Dust would have had to have priority access to logistics (mechanized machinery, and air assets) on standby in regions of the country and the world …..to get in and out discreetly as much and as quickly as possible …. traversing the most difficult of topography and terrains to recover and retrieve things crashing to earth from space…etc. Moon Dust would most likely have had Psyop crowd control capability including some MIB tactics.

The date timeframe of the document I previously posted mentioning Moon Dust, was in the 1960’s meaning Moon Dust was active and not disbanded during Kecksburg….I suspect.

You may not want to think so MM….but I think it’s a possibility of Moon Dust involvement ….until I’m convincingly proven wrong.

Just sayin…

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a reply to: mirageman

It sounds like a disinformation campaign to foster confusion. Numerous different stories from various connected people with different information.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Ok I am sure others have pondered this too.

But if Project Moondust was involved then firstly the team from Oakland Radar Station were only 40-50 miles away and arrived around 7pm. Probably about an hour drive or so.

Where was the Project Moondust team responding from and how was all that equipment commandeered? (Helicopters would have been a much faster and easier way to get there too!)

Remembering also that someone would have to locate the correct crash site and somehow ward off the Blue Book team and State Police.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: mirageman

You mentioned NASA shenanigans.

Aah gotcha now

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: mirageman

It sounds like a disinformation campaign to foster confusion. Numerous different stories from various connected people with different information.

Yep, whenever the US alphabets get involved with UFO cases they tend to turn into manure.

As a bonus [NOT], someone made a [fictional] movie out of the story. It's almost as good as Plan 9 from Outer Space!

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Ok I am sure others have pondered this too.

But if Project Moondust was involved then firstly the team from Oakland Radar Station were only 40-50 miles away and arrived around 7pm. Probably about an hour drive or so.

Where was the Project Moondust team responding from and how was all that equipment commandeered? (Helicopters would have been a much faster and easier way to get there too!)

Remembering also that someone would have to locate the correct crash site and somehow ward off the Blue Book team and State Police.

Great points!

This case is going to need more than one nut of Logistics to crack……..


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