Tory MP Andrew Bridgen suspended for comparing Covid vaccine to Holocaust

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Sure, because he was tweeting or retweeting anti-vaxx claims without scientific evidence and most people frown on that.

The anti-vaxxer label is a pejorative and a political term and has nothing to do with science. His claims about vaccine induced myocarditis and vaccine deaths as a result are proven facts.

Only that he left out the stats and the 'rare' adverse reaction/death parts.

The 'rare' is as valid as the 'sage and effective' claims. They both emenate from the establishment without much evidence. I like though how you try to raise the bar....

The evidence is there but there are none so blind that will not see.

What 'evidence'?
A few days earlier you were claiming that herd immunity is achievable though vaccinations buy this is a refuted claim. Earlier today you were claiming that no vaccines have been withdrawn although the Astrazeneca and the J&J vaccine are no longer available in most countries that have used them.

If we had to look to your own evidence then we would have been badly misinformed...

Herd immunity was discussed in relation to African villages, as I recall, so go back to that discussion and re-read it so you understand what my point was.

Astrazeneca and J&J are still being used worldwide and saving lives, so they say - other mRNA vaccines were never pulled.

Look to expert evidence by the people actually working with vaccines in real human trials and get informed that way.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

Skip to 3:36 for the relevant substance.

The funny part is, Dave proved here you can talk about Jews but not Covid. People won't even say the word Wuhan, maybe it's time to change that.

You can talk about anything but you will be censored or silenced in most platforms. But offline or even in online 'venues' and some platforms like here or Twitter it's clear that people are finally awaken from the coma that have been over the last few years.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Sure, because he was tweeting or retweeting anti-vaxx claims without scientific evidence and most people frown on that.

The anti-vaxxer label is a pejorative and a political term and has nothing to do with science. His claims about vaccine induced myocarditis and vaccine deaths as a result are proven facts.

Only that he left out the stats and the 'rare' adverse reaction/death parts.

The 'rare' is as valid as the 'sage and effective' claims. They both emenate from the establishment without much evidence. I like though how you try to raise the bar....

The evidence is there but there are none so blind that will not see.

What 'evidence'?
A few days earlier you were claiming that herd immunity is achievable though vaccinations buy this is a refuted claim. Earlier today you were claiming that no vaccines have been withdrawn although the Astrazeneca and the J&J vaccine are no longer available in most countries that have used them.

If we had to look to your own evidence then we would have been badly misinformed...

Herd immunity was discussed in relation to African villages, as I recall, so go back to that discussion and re-read it so you understand what my point was.

Astrazeneca and J&J are still being used worldwide and saving lives, so they say - other mRNA vaccines were never pulled.

Look to expert evidence by the people actually working with vaccines in real human trials and get informed that way.

I am afraid if we were to use your evidence we would have been badly misinformed.

Herd immunity immunity is just impossible with SARS-CoV-2. So whatever claim made has been refuted. I remember when you were trying to argue we were close to herd immunity. That's nonsense.

AZ and J&J are no longer available in most countries they have used them.

www.bbc.co.uk...

AstraZeneca vaccine: Denmark stops rollout completely

Denmark has ceased giving the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine amid concerns about rare cases of blood clots, the first European country to do so fully.

www.bhf.org.uk...

AstraZeneca Covid vaccine: safety and side effects. The latest on the AstraZeneca vaccine, from why it is no longer available in the UK, to statistics on the risk of blood clots.

Your arguments have been refuted for once more.

a reply to: quintessentone

So if you don't mind not to engage in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality and making a range of refuted claims. It looks like your text is full of this denialism, apologies, and some form of weird vaccine propaganda.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Time for Twitter to do its job and facilitate an unrestricted channel for him to speak to the world.

It's obvious they are trying to suspend him permanently over his criticisms of the Covid campaign and the Covid vaccines and they found a way through his twitter comment. There are many platforms he could use.

The news from other sites

www.bbc.com...

www.theguardian.com...

www.euronews.com...

People who keep insisting nobody was 'forced' to get vaccinated show a serious lack of empathy for their fellow man. Society has been sadly been turning into a self-absorbed 'me, me, me; it's all about me' mentality.

Companies with over 100 employee were mandated to require they be vaccinated. If the employees chose instead to be fired, they faced financial ruin. Many did anyway when the supply chain fiasco hit, and major companies began downsizing.

Those who could afford to quit working did so-and the result was a lack of competent workers in many fields, especially the medical field, at a time when we could least afford to loose them

Now nurses are being reinstated, with back pay for being wrongly terminated.

Yes, people were forced to get vaccinated. Mandates and fear-driven propaganda was all it took, but it's going to take a hell of a lot more force next time.

It's good to see someone has the bravery to speak the truth. Being in denial isn't an excuse either. That's like when the Nazi's said they were just doing their job.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Sure, because he was tweeting or retweeting anti-vaxx claims without scientific evidence and most people frown on that.

He had much wider concerns than that, including the damage done to society by all the control measures put in place. He did not make the info out of thin air all by himself. Many doctors and scientists have tried to speak out. The info isn't spoon fed so one has to really want to find the truth and do some research themselves.

He was a great speaker and spoke on behalf of many people, many whose evidence has been censored for the past years.

I frown on people who deny other people's experiences especially when the system then pats them on the back for a job well done. Just because your experience of it was positive does not make other negative claims unreal or falsified. Some compassion is in order.

Not being a subject to the crown, and alien to the political system in the UK, I am hesitant to embark on either outrage or encouragement about this news.

It seems that should an American politician repeat these words, a similar fate would befall him or her.

The state of COVID knowledge - both anecdotal and documented - is becoming a morass of opinion and vitriol, in no way appealing to entertain. I hope the thread doesn't fade into the perpetual tit for tat spanking over what it is or isn't.

I find it more interesting to understand the mechanisms by which the establishment seems to repeatedly squelch dissent with no pushback from the people. Not even the press will acknowledge dissent without straining to recharacterize it as some anti-social disease which must be snuffed out as quickly (and as quietly) as possible.

So some MP repeated a statement made by a physician acquaintance... and he's to be 'removed' from his elected position? He evoked the sacred icon of the term "holocaust," which now and forever remains completely outside anyone's right mention under any circumstances at all. Hyperbole is now illegal. What's next... sarcasm?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: jerryznv
a reply to: Asmodeus3

He should be reinstated when they find out he is correct!

I remember getting fired from my job just two years ago for refusing to get the jab...they have since called me back but I didn't feel inclined to return!

Personally...I think this will far surpass the holocaust!

It can't because everyone has a choice - did people in the holocaust? Not a rational comparison at this point.

The common thread between the two was people being bullied. It was a very thin line away from the unvaxxed getting rounded up when all the news/social media worked the masses up into a vicious frenzy. Many of us existed by maintaining our silence as we were socially censored even with friends and family. Similar patterns developed in the way the jews were treated prior to being sent away. The public would not stand and protect their jewish neighbours for fear of retaliation and outing. Even jewish historians have said the rollout of both events used similar psychology on a malleable public using the media and scapegoating.

Where is "choice" for people who had children to feed? Quit the job and face the wrath of society, family for the choice was the only option. Not everyone is up for a fight.

I'd say there were small choice during the holocaust, if a person had the means to escape to another country or move and pretend they were a different ethnicity. Maybe if they acted early enough. Was it feasible for most? Probably not, plus they likely felt they were in the right to practice their religion and culture. The problem is when other people meddle and cannot allow others to live freely. Micromanaging and meddling people.

Those who see the vaccines simply as a "choice" have very poor insight into the entire event.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Sure, because he was tweeting or retweeting anti-vaxx claims without scientific evidence and most people frown on that.

The anti-vaxxer label is a pejorative and a political term and has nothing to do with science. His claims about vaccine induced myocarditis and vaccine deaths as a result are proven facts.

Only that he left out the stats and the 'rare' adverse reaction/death parts.

The 'rare' is as valid as the 'sage and effective' claims. They both emenate from the establishment without much evidence. I like though how you try to raise the bar....

The evidence is there but there are none so blind that will not see.

What 'evidence'?
A few days earlier you were claiming that herd immunity is achievable though vaccinations buy this is a refuted claim. Earlier today you were claiming that no vaccines have been withdrawn although the Astrazeneca and the J&J vaccine are no longer available in most countries that have used them.

If we had to look to your own evidence then we would have been badly misinformed...

Herd immunity was discussed in relation to African villages, as I recall, so go back to that discussion and re-read it so you understand what my point was.

Astrazeneca and J&J are still being used worldwide and saving lives, so they say - other mRNA vaccines were never pulled.

Look to expert evidence by the people actually working with vaccines in real human trials and get informed that way.

Herd immunity... first of all, this is a new thread so please can you do the curtesy of explaining yourself in the here and now rather than referring the readers to some other nebulous thread?

Secondly, the science was largely garbage as it was in it's infancy and not properly tested. That's what so many doctors and researchers were trying to point out and got censored. They ARE experts and if enough of them were dead set against the technology, my intuition says it needs further looking into before it can be trusted. There are now thousands of these experts, censored but trying to speak.

Science needs both sides considered.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

What this tells me is the need to keep the vax narrative positive is potentially > politics.

Zero support from your own party.

It’s the only thing that damn near universally crosses all party lines.

So somehow, all of these politicians (or enough of them) are going along with the party narrative and control it.

Whatever the reason for needing this to be so, it is certainly a big deal. Very big deal.

If that’s true or not, it at least spins to a different perspective - it lends a bit of plausibility to there being a centralized force that plays a material role in directing many of the worlds governments and influencing the direction of societies.

These are probably the people dick Cheney mentioned - the writers of history most people have never heard of.

a reply to: Maxmars


kicking him off his stage is an act of desperation in itself. They do not want open discussion which is what would have occurred if he stayed. He was telling people what they knew but did not want to hear. The main thing as far as the ruling class is to keep a lid on it all, which is not going to happen. Their main problem is mandating vaccinations, to the people that actually keep them in power. Police and army etc. There must be rumblings in the ranks at this stage,

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
It's good to see someone has the bravery to speak the truth. Being in denial isn't an excuse either. That's like when the Nazi's said they were just doing their job.

He is one of the very few in the UK Parliament to have spoken out about the dangers of these vaccines and the wrong response to Covid.

His speech in the UK Parliament is included in Dr Campbell's video here

youtu.be...

It's one of the most reasonable and well articulated speeches. It starts from 5:50 I think.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Maxmars


kicking him off his stage is an act of desperation in itself. They do not want open discussion which is what would have occurred if he stayed. He was telling people what they knew but did not want to hear. The main thing as far as the ruling class is to keep a lid on it all, which is not going to happen. Their main problem is mandating vaccinations, to the people that actually keep them in power. Police and army etc. There must be rumblings in the ranks at this stage,

I think there were mandates in the UK but were abandoned as there wasn't much support. But they tried hard to push mass and mandatory vaccinations and succeeded to 'vaccinate' a large part of the population through pressure, coercion, fear, propaganda, and threats of dismissal by employers.

I don't think the booster programs are going very well by the way.

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Sure, because he was tweeting or retweeting anti-vaxx claims without scientific evidence and most people frown on that.

The anti-vaxxer label is a pejorative and a political term and has nothing to do with science. His claims about vaccine induced myocarditis and vaccine deaths as a result are proven facts.

Only that he left out the stats and the 'rare' adverse reaction/death parts.

The 'rare' is as valid as the 'sage and effective' claims. They both emenate from the establishment without much evidence. I like though how you try to raise the bar....

The evidence is there but there are none so blind that will not see.

What 'evidence'?
A few days earlier you were claiming that herd immunity is achievable though vaccinations buy this is a refuted claim. Earlier today you were claiming that no vaccines have been withdrawn although the Astrazeneca and the J&J vaccine are no longer available in most countries that have used them.

If we had to look to your own evidence then we would have been badly misinformed...

Herd immunity was discussed in relation to African villages, as I recall, so go back to that discussion and re-read it so you understand what my point was.

Astrazeneca and J&J are still being used worldwide and saving lives, so they say - other mRNA vaccines were never pulled.

Look to expert evidence by the people actually working with vaccines in real human trials and get informed that way.

Herd immunity... first of all, this is a new thread so please can you do the curtesy of explaining yourself in the here and now rather than referring the readers to some other nebulous thread?

Secondly, the science was largely garbage as it was in it's infancy and not properly tested. That's what so many doctors and researchers were trying to point out and got censored. They ARE experts and if enough of them were dead set against the technology, my intuition says it needs further looking into before it can be trusted. There are now thousands of these experts, censored but trying to speak.

Science needs both sides considered.

Just have a look at the top of the page. His claims have been refuted several times over many threads. They are baseless. The least I can say.

It's not suprising he's been suspended for misleading the House, multiple false claims and insulting victims of the holocaust by tryinng to claim vaccines or lockdowns were remotely like mass extinction of millions.

BHF have been one of the UK's leading bodies in phase IV side efect monitoring and have conducted some of the best research that discovered clotting and cardio risks in those with pre-existing conditions; which caused updates in vaccination sheet info and changes in medical advice to reflect the new info.

The idea they're covering stuff up is completely false and defamatory; it bares no resemblance to reality and breaks a lot of Parliamentary laws and legislation so he was rightly struck off.

Any MP making such false claims about any subject would have the whip removed and be suspended for bringing the House into disrepute.

He's already suspended for fiddling expenses and lying to Parliament for accepting bribes and not declaring financial interests - so this is just an extra offence that breaches Parliamentary rules.

originally posted by: bastion
It's not suprising he's been suspended for misleading the House, multiple false claims and insulting victims of the holocaust by tryinng to claim vaccines or lockdowns were remotely like mass extinction of millions.

BHF have been one of the UK's leading bodies in phase IV side efect monitoring and have conducted some of the best research that discovered clotting and cardio risks in those with pre-existing conditions; which caused updates in vaccination sheet info and changes in medical advice to reflect the new info.

The idea they're covering stuff up is completely false and defamatory; it bares no resemblance to reality and breaks a lot of Parliamentary laws and legislation so he was rightly struck off.

Any MP making such false claims about any subject would have the whip removed and be suspended for bringing the House into disrepute.

He's already suspended for fiddling expenses and lying to Parliament for accepting bribes and not declaring financial interests - so this is just an extra offence that breaches Parliamentary rules.

Aaaah I see! More vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality. Actually a whole speech with a lot of propaganda in favour of the vaccines and the official narratives that have been debunked again and again.

Which of his claims are false? As he made quite a lot over the past few months.

Maybe that lockdowns were not as beneficial as advertised and were actually catastrophic. Or that vaccine passports were absurd and ludicrous.

Or that the mRNA products can cause a range of conditions such as myocarditis, heart failure, heart attacks and death.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Autopsy report confirms 24 year old college student died from Covid-19 vaccine-induced myocarditis

a reply to: bastion

In addition I haven't seen much talk in the UK Parliament or in the media in regards to the Astrazeneca vaccine which was created in the UK and now has been withdrawn from the market as well as withdrawn from most other countries that have used it. And we know what the reasons are. Health and safety.