Scot left unable to stand after Covid vaccine reaction raising money for stem cell treatment

a reply to: Asmodeus3

If they can't accept the most plausible explanation is vaccine injuries.

Would you like to post the evidence for this?
I posted a list of the most plausible reason for his POTS from the NHS, your denial of the facts and lack of actual proof for other reason other than "I said so" is rediculious..

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

The narrative is that we are all going to be affected by this virus so we have to injected with safe and effective products such as the mRNA 'vaccines'.

I find both sides of the argument equally ridiculous, overhyped and fear porn. The Left comes with their BS and the Right matches them with just as much BS in the other direction.

The narrative becomes even more absurd when immediately after getting injected one develops a range of symptoms which are not attributed to the 'vaccine' itself but to Covid-19...

So like everyone? Millions? 10%? 1%. .00001%? I know of no one with anything past a sore arm, or 2 days of feeling like they have a slight flu on the rare side. As much as the left was absurd about how to react to the virus, you all are just as bad with the vaccine. I fully understand the issues with the vaccine, but the difference between you and me is I also understand the level of those issues, and so I don't over inflate it all or go down some path like so depopulation Agenda.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

If they can't accept the most plausible explanation is vaccine injuries.

Would you like to post the evidence for this?
I posted a list of the most plausible reason for his POTS from the NHS, your denial of the facts and lack of actual proof for other reason other than "I said so" is rediculious..

The most plausible explanation is that his condition is a result of his mRNA vaccine which is known for these types of severe adverse reactions.
Given that they started immediately after he had received the booster vaccine.

I know you are trying to downplay it and deny it but as it seems not many are with you in this one or the other claims you have made.

'Immediately after' are the key words unless you he got an infection which materialised immediately after his booster vaccine which is a much smaller possibility.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

The narrative is that we are all going to be affected by this virus so we have to injected with safe and effective products such as the mRNA 'vaccines'.

I find both sides of the argument equally ridiculous, overhyped and fear porn. The Left comes with their BS and the Right matches them with just as much BS in the other direction.

The narrative becomes even more absurd when immediately after getting injected one develops a range of symptoms which are not attributed to the 'vaccine' itself but to Covid-19...

So like everyone? Millions? 10%? 1%. .00001%? I know of no one with anything past a sore arm, or 2 days of feeling like they have a slight flu on the rare side. As much as the left was absurd about how to react to the virus, you all are just as bad with the vaccine. I fully understand the issues with the vaccine, but the difference between you and me is I also understand the level of those issues, and so I don't over inflate it all or go down some path like so depopulation Agenda.

You may not know of 'anyone who has been injured by the vaccines' but the same can be argued by those who know of noone who has died due to Covid-19. This isn't a good argument at all.

When someone develops symptoms immediately or shortly after they have had the vaccine then the vaccine becomes the most plausible explanation for these symptoms.

a reply to: Kurokage

It's best to start realising that your investment in these products called 'vaccines' may not be working very well.

Best not to defend Pfizer and the vaccination campaign which was absurd and ludicrous.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

What I see is that when one develops a range of symptoms immediately after getting vaccinated with these products then the most plausible explanation for these symptoms is the product itself and not Covid-19 or any other viral infection.

For this to have happened then he should have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 let's say sometime ago and the symptoms started expressing themselves immediately after the vax making it really a nasty coincidence. There is a chance but it is a small one.

I think we both agree on this. I agree 100% there are people who have issues with the vaccine to include dying from it. I also understand like I said before that people die from 87mg aspirin too. Take Israel as example, they did the most comprehensive testing and monitoring in history with their population and they found about 75 young men with myocarditis. Almost all were treated as outpatients with two dying, but those two had other issues too. This was out of millions of people. We also know there are cases with blood clots and this time it is with younger women, but once again it is rather rare. When you give 13 billion shots of anything we will see all kinds of issues to include death, but it always comes down to the numbers involved. Your side in this is saying the numbers are huge and everyone else around the planet is lying and hiding the real ones. With this I disagree....

The other interesting part is most of the issues are coming out of the non-mRNA vaccines. What I personally feel is spike protein is bad overall for us and effects the cardiovascular system more than anything else. This is why some people are effected by the vaccine too, but holy hell the virus is pumping massive levels of protein into you and where the threat comes from is when your body can't fight it off quickly enough and so when you go weeks with it there can be serious issues that form to include death as we saw in rather big numbers at first.

Once again those big numbers were in the high risk groups and so not everyone needs the vaccine because they get over it in a few days and so the protein does not cause as much havoc. The deal is EVERYONE will get the virus one day, so that is something we cannot stop.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I don't think any of us here are 'bad' by criticising the very absurd and ludicrous vaccine campaign or pointing to the many severe adverse side effects that are known to have been caused by these products.

In terms of the various claims about depopulation agendas that's a bit of a strawman as you are confusing me with others. You need to know who says what and I am not the one who speaks about depopulation agendas and the end of the world scenarios.

So you are clearly wrong on this one.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

What I see is that when one develops a range of symptoms immediately after getting vaccinated with these products then the most plausible explanation for these symptoms is the product itself and not Covid-19 or any other viral infection.

For this to have happened then he should have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 let's say sometime ago and the symptoms started expressing themselves immediately after the vax making it really a nasty coincidence. There is a chance but it is a small one.

I think we both agree on this. I agree 100% there are people who have issues with the vaccine to include dying from it. I also understand like I said before that people die from 87mg aspirin too. Take Israel as example, they did the most comprehensive testing and monitoring in history with their population and they found about 75 young men with myocarditis. Almost all were treated as outpatients with two dying, but those two had other issues too. This was out of millions of people. We also know there are cases with blood clots and this time it is with younger women, but once again it is rather rare. When you give 13 billion shots of anything we will see all kinds of issues to include death, but it always comes down to the numbers involved. Your side in this is saying the numbers are huge and everyone else around the planet is lying and hiding the real ones. With this I disagree....

The other interesting part is most of the issues are coming out of the non-mRNA vaccines. What I personally feel is spike protein is bad overall for us and effects the cardiovascular system more than anything else. This is why some people are effected by the vaccine too, but holy hell the virus is pumping massive levels of protein into you and where the threat comes from is when your body can't fight it off quickly enough and so when you go weeks with it there can be serious issues that form to include death as we saw in rather big numbers at first.

Once again those big numbers were in the high risk groups and so not everyone needs the vaccine because they get over it in a few days and so the protein does not cause as much havoc. The deal is EVERYONE will get the virus one day, so that is something we cannot stop.

Yes you definitely agree on this with most others here.

But the issue is you need to separate the conspiracy theories from most users who are mostly not engaging with them.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

You may not know of 'anyone who has been injured by the vaccines' but the same can be argued by those who know of noone who has died due to Covid-19. This isn't a good argument at all.

In that area I know of about 5 people dead and a good number who had big issues with the virus. I'm 62 and vacced and when I caught COVID it lasted 2 days of feeling like crap and was done, about the same with many others I know vacced and finally caught COVID too. Half my team are not vacced and I know many others not vacced and in almost every case they said it was the worst flu they ever had with them all over 40 years old. Many went up to two weeks with it and had moments they thought they might need to go to the hospital. I know this is all anecdotal, but what is not is I been monitoring the hospital usage in the two states I work and live in, OR and WA. In both throughout the pandemic they have recorded that 95% of those in there have been unvacced. In the past I posted many times their current count as an example of information that was not coming from the federal Goverment. Then you have my two boys who caught COVID in college and like 10,000 of them all had it at the same time and no one had issues with it and they felt like crap for like 3 days.

In the end... The virus is no joke for many and not everyone needs the vaccine.....

When someone develops symptoms immediately or shortly after they have had the vaccine then the vaccine becomes the most plausible explanation for these symptoms.

You have said this a number of times, I agree, but then asked in what numbers? I'm not going to rewrite my response...

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

I don't think any of us here are 'bad' by criticising the very absurd and ludicrous vaccine campaign or pointing to the many severe adverse side effects that are known to have been caused by these products.

So we know of both in great detail... We have talked pretty in-depth about side effects, so what is your point? No one here are suggesting there are zero side effects. Everyone can read about them just as you do, so the only debate is how many?

This goes back to you and others posting individual cases that may or may not have the vaccine as a cause, but why post if you were not 100% sure its the vaccine killing them all?

If your point is there can be side effects then bravo! You win...lol If your point is large numbers of people are having big issues with the vaccine then that is where we disagree.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yes I see your point.
But this isn't the same as saying that because you don't know anyone who has been injured by the vaccines the issue isn't serious or real.

The virus has an infection fatality rate of 0.15% which is very low. But it will kill unfortunately those who are the most vulnerable on many cases. It's the elderly with co-morbidities and the clinically vulnerable who have payed the price, mostly.

And yes the virus is real and can be dangerous.
But also a reality that most people and especially the young and healthy have miniscule chances of dying due to Covid. They are in no need of these products just because these products exist on the market.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
But the issue is you need to separate the conspiracy theories from most users who are mostly not engaging with them.

The big one is that the vaccine is effecting more than what is being reported, so here it is, all out in the open, so not really a debate is it?

This below is by far the worst reported, and in this case it is Myocarditis with people 24 and under. I can see it runs about the same as the 75 cases in Israel too. So do I think people under 40 and healthy need the vaccine, no, even though the worst case scenario is .01%.

12–15 years (70.7 cases per one million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech)
16–17 years (105.9 cases per one million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech)
18–24 years (52.4 cases and 56.3 cases per million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, respectively)

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred at a rate of approximately 5 cases per one million vaccine doses administered. Anaphylaxis, a severe type of allergic reaction, can occur after any kind of vaccination. If it happens, healthcare providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
CDC scientists have conducted detailed reviews of cases of anaphylaxis and made the information available to healthcare providers and the public:
Allergic Reactions Including Anaphylaxis After Receipt of the First Dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine
Reports of Anaphylaxis After Receipt of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines in the US—December 14, 2020-January 18, 2021
Allergic Reactions Including Anaphylaxis After Receipt of the First Dose of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine— United States, December 21, 2020-January 10, 2021
Allergic Reactions Including Anaphylaxis After Receipt of the First Dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine — United States, December 14-23, 2020
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 4 cases per one million doses administered. TTS is a rare but serious adverse event that causes blood clots in large blood vessels and low platelets (blood cells that help form clots).
A review of reports indicates a causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and TTS. CDC scientists have conducted detailed reviews of TTS cases and made the information available to healthcare providers and the public:
US Case Reports of Cerebral Venous Sinus Thrombosis With Thrombocytopenia After Ad26.COV2.S Vaccination, March 2 to April 21, 2021
Case Series of Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome following COVID-19 vaccination—United States, December 2020–August 2021
Updates on Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS) [1.3 MB, 39 Pages]
Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine is rare. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. GBS has largely been reported in men ages 50 years and older.
Based on a recent analysis of data from the Vaccine Safety Datalink, the rate of GBS within the first 21 days following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination was found to be 21 times higher than after Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna (mRNA COVID-19 vaccines). After the first 42 days, the rate of GBS was 11 times higher following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. The analysis found no increased risk of GBS after Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna (mRNA COVID-19 vaccines). CDC and FDA will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly. Most cases have been reported after receiving Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna (mRNA COVID-19 vaccines), particularly in male adolescents and young adults.
A review of vaccine safety data in VAERS from December 2020–August 2021 found a small but increased risk of myocarditis after mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Over 350 million mRNA vaccines were given during the study period and CDC scientists found that rates of myocarditis were highest following the second dose of an mRNA vaccine among males in the following age groups:
12–15 years (70.7 cases per one million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech)
16–17 years (105.9 cases per one million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech)
18–24 years (52.4 cases and 56.3 cases per million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, respectively)
Multiple studies and reviews of data from vaccine safety monitoring systems continue to show that vaccines are safe. As a result, the agency will refocus enhanced surveillance and safety monitoring efforts toward children and adolescents.

As of December 1, 2022, there have been 1,045 preliminary reports in VAERS among people younger than age 18 years under review for potential cases of myocarditis and pericarditis. Of these, 244 remain under review. Through confirmation of symptoms and diagnostics by provider interview or review of medical records, 701 reports have been verified to meet CDC’s working case definition for myocarditis. See below for counts of verified reports of myocarditis by age group.

5-11 years: 23 verified reports of myocarditis after 22,521,778 doses administered

12-15 years: 364 verified reports of myocarditis after 25,395,727 doses administered

16-17 years: 314 verified reports of myocarditis after 13,877,425 doses administered

As the COVID-19 vaccines are authorized for younger children, CDC and FDA will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available. Learn more about myocarditis and pericarditis, including clinical considerations, after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 655 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through November 30, 2022. During this time, VAERS received 17,749 preliminary reports of death (0.0027%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records. Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. CDC and FDA continue to review reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination and update information as it becomes available.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: Kurokage

It's best to start realising that your investment in these products called 'vaccines' may not be working very well.

Best not to defend Pfizer and the vaccination campaign which was absurd and ludicrous.

I see you still haven't found my supposed posts defending Pfizer I see. You really do enjoy making assumptions and lies about members don't you???

a reply to: Kurokage

It's Confirmation Bias.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
But the issue is you need to separate the conspiracy theories from most users who are mostly not engaging with them.

The big one is that the vaccine is effecting more than what is being reported, so here it is, all out in the open, so not really a debate is it?

This below is by far the worst reported, and in this case it is Myocarditis with people 24 and under. I can see it runs about the same as the 75 cases in Israel too. So do I think people under 40 and healthy need the vaccine, no, even though the worst case scenario is .01%.

12–15 years (70.7 cases per one million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech)
16–17 years (105.9 cases per one million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech)
18–24 years (52.4 cases and 56.3 cases per million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, respectively)

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred at a rate of approximately 5 cases per one million vaccine doses administered. Anaphylaxis, a severe type of allergic reaction, can occur after any kind of vaccination. If it happens, healthcare providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
CDC scientists have conducted detailed reviews of cases of anaphylaxis and made the information available to healthcare providers and the public:
Allergic Reactions Including Anaphylaxis After Receipt of the First Dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine
Reports of Anaphylaxis After Receipt of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines in the US—December 14, 2020-January 18, 2021
Allergic Reactions Including Anaphylaxis After Receipt of the First Dose of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine— United States, December 21, 2020-January 10, 2021
Allergic Reactions Including Anaphylaxis After Receipt of the First Dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine — United States, December 14-23, 2020
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 4 cases per one million doses administered. TTS is a rare but serious adverse event that causes blood clots in large blood vessels and low platelets (blood cells that help form clots).
A review of reports indicates a causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and TTS. CDC scientists have conducted detailed reviews of TTS cases and made the information available to healthcare providers and the public:
US Case Reports of Cerebral Venous Sinus Thrombosis With Thrombocytopenia After Ad26.COV2.S Vaccination, March 2 to April 21, 2021
Case Series of Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome following COVID-19 vaccination—United States, December 2020–August 2021
Updates on Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS) [1.3 MB, 39 Pages]
Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine is rare. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. GBS has largely been reported in men ages 50 years and older.
Based on a recent analysis of data from the Vaccine Safety Datalink, the rate of GBS within the first 21 days following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination was found to be 21 times higher than after Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna (mRNA COVID-19 vaccines). After the first 42 days, the rate of GBS was 11 times higher following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. The analysis found no increased risk of GBS after Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna (mRNA COVID-19 vaccines). CDC and FDA will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly. Most cases have been reported after receiving Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna (mRNA COVID-19 vaccines), particularly in male adolescents and young adults.
A review of vaccine safety data in VAERS from December 2020–August 2021 found a small but increased risk of myocarditis after mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Over 350 million mRNA vaccines were given during the study period and CDC scientists found that rates of myocarditis were highest following the second dose of an mRNA vaccine among males in the following age groups:
12–15 years (70.7 cases per one million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech)
16–17 years (105.9 cases per one million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech)
18–24 years (52.4 cases and 56.3 cases per million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, respectively)
Multiple studies and reviews of data from vaccine safety monitoring systems continue to show that vaccines are safe. As a result, the agency will refocus enhanced surveillance and safety monitoring efforts toward children and adolescents.

As of December 1, 2022, there have been 1,045 preliminary reports in VAERS among people younger than age 18 years under review for potential cases of myocarditis and pericarditis. Of these, 244 remain under review. Through confirmation of symptoms and diagnostics by provider interview or review of medical records, 701 reports have been verified to meet CDC’s working case definition for myocarditis. See below for counts of verified reports of myocarditis by age group.

5-11 years: 23 verified reports of myocarditis after 22,521,778 doses administered

12-15 years: 364 verified reports of myocarditis after 25,395,727 doses administered

16-17 years: 314 verified reports of myocarditis after 13,877,425 doses administered

As the COVID-19 vaccines are authorized for younger children, CDC and FDA will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available. Learn more about myocarditis and pericarditis, including clinical considerations, after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 655 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through November 30, 2022. During this time, VAERS received 17,749 preliminary reports of death (0.0027%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records. Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. CDC and FDA continue to review reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination and update information as it becomes available.

Indeed. People under the age of 40 or even 50 are in a very small risk from Covid.

Off the top of my head the infection fatality rate for the age group 0-19 is 0.0003% i.e 3 deaths per a million infections and for the 20-29 age group 0.003% i.e 3 deaths per 100,000 infections.

a reply to: Xtrozero

papers.ssrn.com...

We estimate that 22,000 - 30,000 previously uninfected adults aged 18-29 must be boosted with an mRNA vaccine to prevent one COVID-19 hospitalisation. Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, we find that booster mandates may cause a net expected harm: per COVID-19 hospitalisation prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events, including 1.7 to 3.0 booster-associated myocarditis cases in males, and 1,373 to 3,234 cases of grade ≥3 reactogenicity which interferes with daily activities. Given the high prevalence of post-infection immunity, this risk-benefit profile is even less favourable

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Your head will explode if this research into mRNA vaccine treatment for cancers succeeds.

The evil swines, eh?

www.cancer.gov...

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

Yes I see your point.
But this isn't the same as saying that because you don't know anyone who has been injured by the vaccines the issue isn't serious or real.

I see the worst case scenarios is the 100 in a million with the vast majority minor. Many other issues are like less than 10 in a million. So is that serious?

The virus has an infection fatality rate of 0.15% which is very low. But it will kill unfortunately those who are the most vulnerable on many cases. It's the elderly with co-morbidities and the clinically vulnerable who have payed the price, mostly.

Current numbers of deaths is as follows out of 100,000 that are infected. The interesting part is the current vacced is mostly the high risk groups.

Unvacced 1.32
Vacced, but not current .26
Current vacced .07

One thing to think about is out of your .15% the vast majority is the high risk groups, so in those groups they make up 85% of the death and so for them the .15% is much higher.

And yes the virus is real and can be dangerous.
But also a reality that most people and especially the young and healthy have miniscule chances of dying due to Covid. They are in no need of these products just because these products exist on the market.

True, just like my point that if the Goverment mandated aspirin to everyone there would be more than 4000 deaths per year with the vat majority not needing the aspirin in the first place.

I have always said, do not blame the vaccines, blame the government for creating the situation.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I have to blame both the Government and the Pharmaceuticals for different reasons.

This is a subject that won't go away and it is likely to result in indictments.

As one of the Italian members of the European Parliament said: This is the greatest medical scandal in history.

Strongly agree with her.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

No it won't. That's not true.
These products should not have been released in the general population for the Covid-19 disease.