These People Where Forced To Be Russian.

many sad putin supporters today. oh well too bad...

a reply to: DaRAGE

Well i also am of that same opinion. However thats just an opinion. It may be a sham and most likely is a sham. But without actually being there, and knowing all the details, one must keep the mind open.

Glad we cleared that up because you cant have free and fair referendums held in active warzones which is perfectly obvious.

But then again it seems quite difficult for the USA to carry out fair and free elections, even in their own country thats not a war zone, with no missing residents…

I dont hail from the USA, same as the majority of the rest of the planet.

However it seems to me only if you are butthurt over the results of the fair and free elections.

Or entertain the likes of the crap Mike Pillow likes to shovel.

a reply to: randomthoughts12

There was official declerations and calls for help for most of these regions.

Do the people seen in the video look like they called Russia for help ?

a reply to: DaRAGE

The Contra's is the best you have to disparage Reagen?

Was that not Oliver North's department anyhoo?

As to shifty business, well that was the colour of the day where the Contra's were concerned.

Hey, didn’t the US interfere and bring about a coup in Ukraine in 2014 by backing right wing rebels with nazi ties?

Did they?

Some proof of that might be nice of the unequivocal sorts mind you else that's simply your opinion.

And if it's something fishy you are looking for the smell of, well that's Putin's sham referendums and invasion of Ukraine in spades.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
The people of the Kherson region were "Russians" for 300 years before 1989. Allegiances are only issue now thanks to inducements from NATO countries and a coup in 2014. DaRage is right, unless you live there we really don't know and I'm sure not going to trust any MSM outlet to tell me.

Exactly.

That's the simple truth of it.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Have to disagree Asktheanimals, you don't need to be there to see these sham referendums for exactly what they are.

That being a complete load of tripe and in no way representative of the will of the people.

Else if you could simply outline how you carry out and fair and free referendums in areas that you do not completely occupy that might be helpful?

Canny wait to hear how you do that given the logistical impossibility of the task at hand.

According to CNN they can't even confirm if they are withdrawing:

Ukraine’s commander-in-chief, Valerii Zaluzhnyi, said Kyiv’s military success in Kherson left Russia with “no other option but to resort to fleeing.” When asked if the withdrawal was actually taking place, Zaluzhnyi said Ukrainian authorities could neither confirm nor deny it.
CNN

Can't really put much stock in what MSM says that's for sure.

All these contradictory stories. CNN is as pro-Ukraine as it gets...

a reply to: MykeNukem

I think you may find even the Russian military have come forward and said they have retreated from Kherson MykeNukem.

No real doubt about that fact now.

www.reuters.com...

a reply to: andy06shake

Suicidal sounding Russian propagandist now says the invasion of Ukraine is a " Religious War " They can't seem to make up their minds what it is.

The remainder of what is says is the usual complete bollocks.

originally posted by: randomthoughts12
a reply to: alldaylong

There was official declerations and calls for help for most of these regions. Ukraine and nato did the real illegal regime change.

I really can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.
Is so then we'll done but maybe next time use something like a /sarc.
If not then......really????
Like really really man?

a reply to: MykeNukem

Why did Russia blow the bridge if they hadn't retreated over it?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: MykeNukem

I think you may find even the Russian military have come forward and said they have retreated from Kherson MykeNukem.

No real doubt about that fact now.

www.reuters.com...

I was just curious why Ukraine wouldn't confirm or deny it.

Seems strange. ALL of this is coming from MSM and they can't keep their stories straight.

You trust what Russia says?

I don't trust any of them.

a reply to: alldaylong

My understanding is the majority of both nations subscribe to Orthodox Christianity so good luck to the bampot punting the religious war nonsense.

a reply to: MykeNukem

When Russia has to admit to a humiliating withdrawal then yes, for once I do believe they have gone.

a reply to: MykeNukem

You trust what Russia says?

I'm inclined to believe the general at this moment as to Russian forces retreating from Kherson given he's not the only one singing the same tune.

If Russian forces had not retreated MykeNukem they would have been attacked with little to no hope of resupply and winter is just around the corner, from a tactical perspective there is little point if fighting a battle that you cannot hope to win, hence the Russian retreat from Kherson.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: MykeNukem

When Russia has to admit to a humiliating withdrawal then yes, for once I do believe they have gone.

Perfect.

If it was a humiliating withdrawal then Ukraine shouldn't require any further assistance from the West, because Russia has turned tail and run.

Perfect IMO.

We'll wait and see if that's the case.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: MykeNukem

When Russia has to admit to a humiliating withdrawal then yes, for once I do believe they have gone.

My spider senses are tingling about this withdrawal man.
Something doesn't sit right.
I'm not going to say why but just think about it which I am sure you already have.
They sure did leave leave in a hurry despite massive losses. We all know Putin could call up more arms to hold the city. We also know threats of non conventional weapons have been threatened by Putin....so.......

a reply to: MykeNukem

But now Russia will probably reduce Kherson to rubble from positions across the river.

Russia has not stopped the War it started.

a reply to: MykeNukem

If it was a humiliating withdrawal then Ukraine shouldn't require any further assistance from the West, because Russia has turned tail and run.

It wont be the case MykeNukem, and just because you say so hardly makes it so.

Kherson is simply a stepping stone where Ukrainian forces need to be careful not to over extend themselves.

Retaking the rest of Ukraine is still going to require NATO assistance simply down to the disparity in troop numbers.

a reply to: MykeNukem

Just to help you, here is the definition of " Retreat "

a move back by soldiers or an army, either because they have been defeated or in order to avoid fighting:

dictionary.cambridge.org...

The Russians did in fact " retreat "