Ukraine forces trap thousands of Russian troops in Lyman , Donetsk region

originally posted by: Xcalibur254

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: gortex
For decades, all we've heard is how bad-ass Russia's military is, and how dangerous Russia is to the rest of the world. Now all I hear is how impotent they are. Something is wrong with this picture.

I'm now supposed to believe that one of the most powerful countries in the world has a rag-tag military with leadership that can't plan and run a military campaign. They couldn't collect enough intelligence beforehand to know what they were up against and what they needed to do to achieve the endgame against a small country with a small military and no real armaments to speak of.

Either much of what we are hearing is war time propaganda, or Russia was never a major military threat to begin with. They've just relied on their nuclear arsenal as a deterrent for decades.

The honest answer? We underestimated the corruption of the Russian military. Putin had made a point of cracking down on corruption in the military and overhauling their arsenal. I think it's pretty clear he failed on both counts.

The only reason Russia is still a player on the world stage is their nukes and memories of the Cold War. They have no projection. Their economy is minuscule. And as we're learning, their military is woefully behind the times.

Putin has cultivated a reputation of being the world's premier leader but it's starting to seem like he's more the world's premier used car salesman. He's built an illusion around Russia, but now the illusion is crumbling as it's being tested for the first time.

If Putin doesn't win this without resorting to mass casualties, his whole regime may very well crumble.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

I hope you and you nearest and dearest enjoy a wonderfully long and cold winter.

You are so over the top it is very hard to hold any kind of sensible conversation with you.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

No we haven't. It was clear from the start it was a minimal incursion designed to limit damage.

Your true colours have now be revealed. You are in fact a Russian.

As for the rest of your post, you just carry on living your daydream.

That was a no we haven't been hearing it for 6 months, learn English structure better.

I'm not russian. Although I would be more proud to be russian than the # hole you come from.

Proud to be conscipted into a war and living in a country that assasinated or jails journalists?

I think you need better standards.

a reply to: Klassified

I hope not but that is the direction I think its going, mass casualties.

No way his ego lets him step down quietly considering how long he has been running the country.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: gortex
For decades, all we've heard is how bad-ass Russia's military is, and how dangerous Russia is to the rest of the world. Now all I hear is how impotent they are. Something is wrong with this picture.

I'm now supposed to believe that one of the most powerful countries in the world has a rag-tag military with leadership that can't plan and run a military campaign. They couldn't collect enough intelligence beforehand to know what they were up against and what they needed to do to achieve the endgame against a small country with a small military and no real armaments to speak of.

Either much of what we are hearing is war time propaganda, or Russia was never a major military threat to begin with. They've just relied on their nuclear arsenal as a deterrent for decades.

YUP

Pretty much

But hold on, there is more, its about to get way worst

Were about to see untrained cannon fodder in the thousands call in CAS and Artillery on their own positions

a reply to: Klassified

Hopefully we don't even get that far. Putin's hold is the most tenuous it's ever been. That's why he's my prime suspect for the Nord Stream sabotage.

The push to keep the war going is allowing congress to funnel tax payer money (Illegally) to other countries and pocket a huge chunk for themselves. This isn't about Russia and the war to Ukraine, it's about robbing the people of UK and the US of their incomes.

People seem to forget that big political people have been caught hauling millions of dollars into other countries. People seem to forget that the 'money' is going to the politicians of Ukraine to keep them quiet. People seem to forget that paying Ukraine a DIME is actually against the US constitution. But our politians are emptying the reserves, moving all that money overseas to private bank accounts. Converting it into a currency that they don't see imploding, while screwing over the rest of the world, so you LOSE EVERYTHING.

The real goal is a currency war, in which ^^ You lose everything.

(who's going to stop them? They have been sending the CORRUPT FBI to every possible political opponent who stands a chance of winning against them, creating a proper dictatorship (Just like Russia!) RULE: By god if trump would of done this.. there would of been a war, (Let me clue you in, he didn't and he was still called a dictator, a tyrant and more - because of those views he didn't even have the 'swamp' arrested on charges, however the current administration has zero issues doing this, in fact they get cheered on by Demo-tards especially when they go after Trump. I will say I PITY you and your hatred as it blinds you to reality - after all not many know the people who leaked Roe V Wade opinion piece was the same people the Supreme court had on trial for lying and manipulating the public. But thanks to you, democrats fulfilled their threats and are using SC to go after Tump, Despite originally claiming nothing was there.)

This has everything to do with screwing the people of UK and US in the arse while they rob you blind. "The dollar is growing in value, despite the fact they created 22 trillion DOLLARS out of thin air." since Biden took office. Thanks to your actions the SC is afraid for their lives, and bends the knee to democrats. Mission complete, they will no longer argue that the democrats are doing illegal activities.

Printing Money 2019-2021

As of March 2021, COVID costs totaled $5.2 trillion. World War II cost $4.7 trillion (in today’s dollars).
All-in money printing totaled $13 trillion: $5.2 for COVID + $4.5 for quantitative easing + $3 for infrastructure. Mountains of money cause inflation
Inflation causes increases in interest rates, lowering bond prices
Increases in interest rates cause reductions in stock values
All-in spending was approaching $13 trillion as of mid-2021. That’s more than the US spent in it’s 13 most expensive wars combined. We use wars because they’re the most expensive things we can think of. Money printing for Quantitative Easing (QE) appears to have worked, so the plan is to load on a bunch more paper money. Is there no limit?

8 Trillion Dollars in 2022 Alone: (warrrrrr)
2022 Printed Money Estimates
Ya'll are blind, and that isn't even counting the money spent on this "war".

Totaling 22 Trillion Dollars since Biden has gone in office. Gotta love that shopping spree. Remember when Obama spent 13million on his daughter's sweet 16? I do, people were outraged.. But Gosh I guess adding 22 Trillion to our deficit just doesn't piss people off anymore, at least til they lose their house, car and can't afford food..

Obama the biggest spender in the world? Old Article

Old Article Claiming Obama was the biggest spender in the world.
Compare that to Biden and his current party of democrats..


OUR Government Debt is OUR DEBT. Even if you don't own a Credit Card or have a loan, you are 100% responsible for WHO you put into office - Consider yourself a co-signer to those politicans, when they decide to spend like teenager and their first credit card YOU will be stuck paying the bill, in either tax or inflation, or both. So YOU are responsible for what they spend like it or not, and you WILL/ARE going to be paying that debt in OTHER WAYS. Keep that in mind,eventually you will be priced out of car and home when your taxes go sky high to cover their spending. Which is EXACTLY what happened in PA.

28% Tax increase on housing in PA
Tax increase of 2022

(Which is why it is technically against our constitution to use tax payer money to give to other countries, it's also against our constitution to use tax payer money to AID in natural disaster's even within the US - technically we can mobilize people to go help states, but we aren't allowed to send them a DIME directly. *shhhhhh they don't want you to know that*)

Hope that's an eye opener for someone..

Tax proposal for 2023

The major tax proposals include:

higher top rates for individual income, corporate income, and capital gains income;

ending step-up in basis by making death a taxable event;

expanding the base of the Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT) to apply to active pass-through income and making the active pass-through business loss limitation permanent;

major changes to international taxation; and,

a laundry list of new minimum taxes for individuals, businesses, and international corporations.

Another revenue raiser includes government-set pricing for certain prescription drugs, enforced by an excise tax of 1,900 percent on drug sales.

The tax increases in BBBA alone would reduce long-run GDP by 0.5 percent, and the tax increases in the budget, including a higher corporate tax rate of 28 percent (up from the current 21 percent) and international tax changes, would further discourage domestic investment and reduce the productive capacity of the United States. For example, raising the corporate tax rate to 28 percent would reduce long-run GDP by 0.7 percent and eliminate 138,000 jobs.

The magnitude of the tax and revenue increases on the table is unprecedented. The Tax Foundation estimated BBBA would raise $1.7 trillion of gross revenue over the next decade:

$470 billion from corporate and international tax changes;
$516 billion from individual tax changes (excluding changes to the State and Local Tax deduction);
$517 billion from other revenue increases; and,

Don't get me started in the 40% death tax, with inflation as high as it is. Most people will auto qualify for the 40% death tax just by inheriting a house.


So keep being blinded and choosing sides of a war that does not legally involve us. Ignore the laws being broken by our politicians as they swindle our money out of the country where it becomes 'untrackable'. It just makes every single one of us look like dumb-arses in the long run. At least I'm not being distracted by this phony war of no consequence and paying attention to what they are TRYING TO HIDE.

a reply to: BlackArrow
Good post sir. Thanks.

I don't really give two #s about the Ukrainian or Russian governments, but I have a question that I would like a serious answer for.

So, are we supposed to just pretend that Ukraine hasn't been treating it's former Russian people terribly? And weren't those former Russians the ones who were asking for help from the Russian government and its military?

Or were those all lies?

How would the people supporting Ukrainian actions the past several years view similar situations in other parts of the world?

For instance if China actually went and took out the Taiwanese government?

If South Korea actually went and started another war with North Korea?

Why aren't these same people talking about Yemen?
Haiti?
Any of the bull# going on in Central America?

Russia's military has been a joke for a long time. Ukraine is only winning because several other nations are supporting them. Without that support they would have been belly up at the beginning.

This is hardly a victory for Ukraine as much as it is for the nations that are investing in them.

This isn't about the people that live there. You guys are basically just doing the same old # of picking a side and rooting for them like they're a damn sports team. Yall probably couldn't give a rat's ass less about the civilians who are suffering and only use them as fuel for your fake outrage.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: gortex
For decades, all we've heard is how bad-ass Russia's military is, and how dangerous Russia is to the rest of the world. Now all I hear is how impotent they are. Something is wrong with this picture.

I'm now supposed to believe that one of the most powerful countries in the world has a rag-tag military with leadership that can't plan and run a military campaign. They couldn't collect enough intelligence beforehand to know what they were up against and what they needed to do to achieve the endgame against a small country with a small military and no real armaments to speak of.

Either much of what we are hearing is war time propaganda, or Russia was never a major military threat to begin with. They've just relied on their nuclear arsenal as a deterrent for decades.

The honest answer? We underestimated the corruption of the Russian military. Putin had made a point of cracking down on corruption in the military and overhauling their arsenal. I think it's pretty clear he failed on both counts.

The only reason Russia is still a player on the world stage is their nukes and memories of the Cold War. They have no projection. Their economy is minuscule. And as we're learning, their military is woefully behind the times.

Putin has cultivated a reputation of being the world's premier leader but it's starting to seem like he's more the world's premier used car salesman. He's built an illusion around Russia, but now the illusion is crumbling as it's being tested for the first time.

Others are watching intently.

‘This is our land,’ China now claims Russia’s Vladivostok as part of its territory

tfipost.com...

Goodbye Vladivostok, Hello Hǎishēnwǎi!

cepa.org...

a reply to: AutomateThis1v2

Yes this exactly is also what I picked up. It's like picking a side and then blame the other side while the own side does everything right. There's no sensibility to the things happening and try looking at them unbiased.

It's either you are with or against the Russians MO. You can not point out the lies from the west, otherwise you are somehow labeled "triggered" or you're pro Russian and loving war or whatever.

I am glad to see a few here on the boards not buying into the above MO. As for your question, sadly I can not answer it but definitely I heard about Russian people being treated bad, that's how this all started supposedly and gave Putin his excuse to do what he does currently. But attention span of people is very short, they can only remember things until the next article or news spot they can be outraged about.

a reply to: AutomateThis1v2



"So, are we supposed to just pretend that Ukraine hasn't been treating it's former Russian people terribly"


You mean since russia invaded in 2014?



Ukraine is allowed to defend itself from foreign invasions.

a reply to: BlackArrow


So perhaps russians should go back to russia then?

Is anyone besides putin preventing that?

a reply to: AutomateThis1v2

So, are we supposed to just pretend that Ukraine hasn't been treating it's former Russian people terribly?

Silvio Berlusconi thinks not , and he's a mate of Putin.

A narrative alleging the Ukrainian government was slaughtering Russian speakers in the east of the country was created by the media in Moscow, Mr Berlusconi told Italian TV.

He said the reporting, pushed by separatist forces and nationalist politicians in the Russian government, had left Mr Putin with no choice but to launch a limited invasion.

"Putin was pushed by the Russian population, by his party and by his ministers to invent this special operation," he said.
www.bbc.co.uk...

How would the people supporting Ukrainian actions the past several years view similar situations in other parts of the world?

Depends on the circumstances but history tells us doing nothing is not an option.

Russia's military has been a joke for a long time.

About 7 months.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: BlackArrow


So perhaps russians should go back to russia then?

Is anyone besides putin preventing that?

Maybe US citizens should go back to their ancestor's countries.

Maybe everyone should go back to Africa or Europe or Asia

Maybe people should look at both sides of the story.

Maybe people should stop pretending one side is innocent.

Maybe people need to stop supporting governments that annex or take over other countries.

Every major global power is guilty of that to some degree.

But I get it. You for some reason only want to focus on the current thing and you believe what you are told to believe.

What stake do you even have in this? Why do you care so much? Are you Russian or Ukrainian? Do you have family there? If so, why don't you go over there and join the fight? Too scared to get shot at or blown up?

Or are you a US citizen who's afraid the Russian government doing it's thing in Ukraine is a major cause for concern to you personally because the US government and media tell you what to think?

a reply to: gortex

So, Putin is another dumbass who gets his information from the media? Or is that a likely excuse for taking mikitary action? Or did another country's intelligence agency feed that to the Russian media?

All I see is excuses.

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That's an opinion first of all and there are more options available between doing nothing and what is going on right now.

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Also, the Russian military has been a joke far longer than just seven months ago.

The ships I was on in the US Navy were comolete rust buckets that had issues on a daily basis and they somehow still operated better than the Russian ships we encountered. We used to hold up signs and make fun of them as we did circles around them.

Their "aircraft carrier" is a joke as well, the only thing they have besides their nukes to worry about is their subs, because well nukes. And honestly if their sub and nuke maintenance is anything like the rest of their maintenance I wouldn't be surprised if their # fails to launch and blows before even taking off.

And that's saying something since their army is a joke, Their airforce is a joke, their navy is still a joke.

They've destroyed themselves with politics and multiple civil wars. They only win battles when allies are present and because historically almost no one but Russians have given a rat's ass about actually taking over and taking control of the country.

a reply to: AutomateThis1v2



Russians should go back to russia and give up on their land grabbing plans in Ukraine.


Your distraction effort was pathetic.

a reply to: AutomateThis1v2


"Maybe people should stop pretending one side is innocent"



I haven't ever seen any Ukraine supporter do that here, only russia supporters.


In related news - only russia went on back to back land grabbing invasions. On THAT, Ukraine IS innocent.


Sure would be nice if russians just went back to russia eh?

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

In related news - only russia went on back to back land grabbing invasions.

Don't sell Russia short. It's more like back-to-back-to-back-to-back land grabbing invasions if we include South Ossetia and Transnistria.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

In related news - only russia went on back to back land grabbing invasions.

Don't sell Russia short. It's more like back-to-back-to-back-to-back land grabbing invasions if we include South Ossetia and Transnistria.

I think you're still missing a few!