It's About To Go Down...

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

No that was the US, land grabbing by proxy. See coup in Ukraine 2014 and the installation of a puppet regime.

What exactly is 'land grabbing by proxy'?

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

though its perfect for todays tweeting society, no thinking required

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

though its perfect for todays tweeting society, no thinking required

I wouldn't know, I don't twat.

Maybe that's why all this delusional stuff they post seems so hilarious to me?

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: WanderingMrM

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

No that was the US, land grabbing by proxy. See coup in Ukraine 2014 and the installation of a puppet regime.

Pointless to tell them this as well, they don't believe that it was the U.S that installed the Nazi government and then further hid evidence of the genocide the government they installed committed.

'nazi' government'?



Maybe this is why you folks have trouble getting anyone to take you seriously?

I mean if you make a national hero someone that helped the SS exterminate Jews and Russians during WW2, I don't know how more obvious you can get.

Not to mention a lot of their military members have swasticas on their helmets, patches, and vehicles.

Or are you actually rather blind? or Just one of those weird internet trolls? Hmm... maybe you're one of those bots we've been seeing an influx of recently on Facebook, Twitter, etc.

No you seem a bit sentient so maybe an NPC would be a closer distinction.

a reply to: [post=26700306]MidnightWatcher[/post

I confess, I don't always watch the news, because it's depressing and sometimes I just get sick and tired of hearing about the war in Ukraine, about Putin and his bunker with views to the Black Sea, about how brave the Ukrainian president is, furiously tweeting against the war every chance he gets and giving precious lessons on patriotism to other leaders via Zoom when he attends an important international event, so I just turn off the TV because there is only so much BS my brain can accept.

But when Russia invaded Ukraine in February, I watched the news, hell, I stayed up late watching the news about this and I don't remember Putin mentioning anything about nuking the planet. If he did that, I must have fallen asleep because clearly I missed it! I think that part came later on, i.e a few weeks ago, if I'm not mistaken and so all this time, what did NATO and America do exactly?

Nothing! And that's the point I ma trying to make. They have done nothing!

Holding conferences and making threats against Russia which are replayed again and again by the media outlets in Europe and probably around the world is a bit ....useless in my opinion, and tends to do the opposite of solving a conflict.
And we got the same absolute nonsense from Jens Stoltenberg and NATO!

It does not help, this is a very poor strategy - if you can call it like that - threatening people rarely does help a situation improve so why keep doing it? Again and again and again...

I mean, if you (US and NATO) have the power to stop a war (because let's be honest, they do have that power) you would mobilise your resources and get it done! They did that in a heart beat in Iraq in 2003 and it was the same US-led coalition we have now and more! If you cannot go in militarily, because Ukraine is not a NATO member, find another way and end the war!

Instead what do we get? We get the most powerful man on Earth (allegedly), the commander in chief of one of the most powerful armies in the world and one of the world's most powerful political figures making TV appearances all the time and threatening Russia and Putin and Putin's friends and Putin's nanny, etc instead of putting an end to this conflict and sorting out this mess already...

Great stuff!

I have reached the conclusion this is their strategy, this was the plan all along. They want this conflict to drag on, they want Europe to be in the tight spot it is now, struggling with this conflict, with the gas crisis, etc.

I don't know where this situation is going and how Europe will look in 6 months time but seeing what the Biden admin is about these days, I reckon, we'll still be in the same situation, maybe worse!

a reply to: WanderingMrM


So this is all about ww2 'heros'?

Wanna talk about stalin?

a reply to: AlexandraA


'I mean, if you (US and NATO) have the power to stop a war".



Correct.

But a madman was making nuke threats if we didn't walk on his eggshells.

a reply to: AlexandraA

U.S and NATO have the power to stop the war.

How? By stopping the flow of weapons that will eventually force Putin to either thermobaric strike Kyiv and Lviv or God forbid nuke Ukraine.

However they won't do it, because they want to destroy Russia at any cost or weaken it enough to invade, and that includes the extermination of the entire Ukrainian population through this war just to make Russia and Putin look more evil.

It's that simple! U.S and NATO can stop the flow of weapons, arrange peace talks, force Zelensky to go to them and actually find terms where Russia won't advance further and will draw up a suitable line for both sides to agree upon.

Yet not a single time in 7 months did this happen! The only ones that kept calling for peace talks was Russia, their terms were simple disarmament, no NATO or E.U membership, and holding the Ukrainian government responsible for the 8 years of genocide. However each time they said no to the terms and ignored peace talks completely.

So sorry kids this is on NATO and U.S, Why? Because they have their hand up Zelensky's ass like the good puppet he is.

a reply to: WanderingMrM


Only russia has the ability to end the war they started.

By going back to russia.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM


Only russia has the ability to end the war they started.

By going back to russia.

Nope, Russia proposed their terms, if NATO and U.S want to continue this conflict then we will arrive at the place that everyone is afraid of arriving at.

Putin also after the annexation proposed for Ukraine to sit down for talks, Zelensky's answer was singing a formal request form to be taken into NATO. Basically a suicide letter for Ukraine, and we all know who handles Zelensky so this war will continue and it will get to the stake of a thermobaric strike on Kyiv and Lviv, or escalates to the point of a utilization of a nuke.

It's as simple as that! Putin threw the ball into NATO's and US's court, it's up to them now how this ends but knowing their actual plan for Russia and the recent bombing of Nord Stream 1 & 2 we all can see how this ends.

It was a pleasure having our back and forward, let us just pray for Ukraine to get hit by the thermobaric at least because this way we can avoid an all out nuclear war!

a reply to: WanderingMrM


"Nope, Russia proposed their terms'


russia made insane demands for the territory of another country, that is NOT 'proposing terms'


russia can end this war they started today, by simply going back to russia.

Russia and China invading Alaska? And what will happen to the Mexican United States? They never talk about Mexico nor the rest of Latin America.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM


So this is all about ww2 'heros'?

Wanna talk about stalin?

wanna talk about this?



didn't think so.

a reply to: jedi_hamster


Missing the point again?



Did russia invade Ukraine over ww2 'heros'?



Or was it an obvious land grab?

a reply to: WanderingMrM

The only ones that kept calling for peace talks was Russia, their terms were simple disarmament, no NATO or E.U membership, and holding the Ukrainian government responsible for the 8 years of genocide. However each time they said no to the terms and ignored peace talks completely.

Disarmament? Ukraine gave up all its nuclear weapons at Russia's insistence upon gaining independence.
If Ukraine's regular and conventional forces and weaponry was such a threat then why have they been so reliant on armaments sent to them from elsewhere since the invasion? Something you've been going on about repeatedly.
And what about the vastly superior forces Putin has in reserve, you know the one's you keep on saying are going to smash the combined forces of NATO and its allies.
The reality is Ukraine posed no realistic military threat to Russia at all.

Ukraine had been denied membership of both NATO and EU, so that's a non-issue.
They had absolutely no realistic chance of gaining either.

Genocide?
Honestly, are you likening events in Ukraine to those during The Holocaust, Rwanda, Cambodia or even more pertinently The Holodomor?
Even if we accept your version of events, sorry, Putin's version - which I don't - calling it a 'genocide' is a stretch by anyone's definition.

Doesn't really ring true does it?

a reply to: jedi_hamster

i'm guessing that suppose to be ukrainian nazis?

if that's the case, that's really no better, or worse than russia own nazis groups which there have been and still are several in that country, or the using their mercenary group wagner which is offspring of the slavonic corps and the jihadi/terrorists kadyrovites and other jihadist from the middle east.

farty shouldn't go throwing rocks when he lives in a glass house.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: WanderingMrM

The only ones that kept calling for peace talks was Russia, their terms were simple disarmament, no NATO or E.U membership, and holding the Ukrainian government responsible for the 8 years of genocide. However each time they said no to the terms and ignored peace talks completely.

Disarmament? Ukraine gave up all its nuclear weapons at Russia's insistence upon gaining independence.
If Ukraine's regular and conventional forces and weaponry was such a threat then why have they been so reliant on armaments sent to them from elsewhere since the invasion? Something you've been going on about repeatedly.
And what about the vastly superior forces Putin has in reserve, you know the one's you keep on saying are going to smash the combined forces of NATO and its allies.
The reality is Ukraine posed no realistic military threat to Russia at all.

Ukraine had been denied membership of both NATO and EU, so that's a non-issue.
They had absolutely no realistic chance of gaining either.

Genocide?
Honestly, are you likening events in Ukraine to those during The Holocaust, Rwanda, Cambodia or even more pertinently The Holodomor?
Even if we accept your version of events, sorry, Putin's version - which I don't - calling it a 'genocide' is a stretch by anyone's definition.

Doesn't really ring true does it?

Don't know about you but 50,000 + dead over 8 years through shelling, torture, executions, rape, organ harvesting, etc.

That seems a bit genocide to me, not to mention all those mass graves Russians found entering the cities, or you know Ukrainians shooting their own citizens that were trying to get out of the cities during first 3 months.

I could go on and on but what's the point right? Russians are the evil ones...

I wonder how long they will spin it, will it be until Ukrain is razed like Iraq, Lybia and Syria? or maybe once it really goes tits up and the West finally admits to it? Only time will tell!

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: jedi_hamster


Missing the point again?



Did russia invade Ukraine over ww2 'heros'?



Or was it an obvious land grab?

Russia went into Ukraine over 8 years of genocide, constant armament, bio labs, NATO and America planning and scheming their # like always, there are literally like 100 reasons that Russia had for launching the special operation.

But hey! At least it's not some yellow cake flour in a vial pretending to have been found in Iraq.

originally posted by: jedi_hamster

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM


So this is all about ww2 'heros'?

Wanna talk about stalin?

wanna talk about this?

didn't think so.

Nah they think it's a regular far-right march, they don't realize or know that it was 10s of thousands in each Ukrainian city doing these marches yearly.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

We can ruble moscow and st petersburg without nukes, or troops on the ground.
Hopefully, that would be the response to tactical nuke use, not more nuke use.

It would have to be conventional warfare. No need to destroy Russia, just move up to the border with NATO troops.
Secure Ukraine, and hold the line. That would not be hard to do. The only one throwing nukes would be Putin, unless he started to launch his ICBMs. Then it would be Game over for everyone.

I guess my point is that if he does use small scale nukes, NATO would be forced to engage with troops on the ground, without firing back in kind, or the world is destroyed. I think it could be done, and I think Putin would be overthrown at home.