The Carnivore Diet

Unless you have a very rare body type and issues, carnivore diet is not a healthy long term diet.

Look at societies that live the longest. None of them are doing a carnivore diet.

Try a whole foods vegetarian diet. Great long term benifits and you're not participating in the torture of animals (mostly).

a reply to: tanstaafl

A diet high in saturated fat is unhealthy for most people. It creates issues for the heart and arteries.

You can get plenty of fats without going so extreme. Thats why many doctors started unreccomending coconut oil. Despite the high nutritional valie, it has a ton of saturated fat (like meat) and can cause issues.

Even if you need a high fat diet, id find any doctor hard-pressed to reccomend the fad carnivore diet.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I honestly don't know what to think about this.

On the one hand I don't trust all the chemicals we feed to the animals we eat.

On the other I've been a meat eater all my life. I never shy away from fat ether. When I was a kid I remember arguing with my brother over who would get to eat the fat from whatever meat we were having for dinner each night. And the thing is my doctor has been telling me all my life that I'm the healthiest person she sees.
But I'm also very active. I'm not over or underweight. Which I think is key here. i think the health problems that come with eating lots of meat and fats is due to laziness and inactivity.

Or maybe it's all just about genetics and my native american genes are why I can handle lots of meat.

My diet is meat, rice, eggs, onions, garlic, fruit, water.
For the most part.

I exercise regularly but nothing crazy.

I look and feel 10 years younger than I am. When I hang out with people my own age they always seem so old and tired.

I do think it has a lot to do with genes though.

a reply to: CptGreenTea

only oil I use is coconut oil.
I cook everything in it.

I'm having no ill effects at all.

a reply to: CptGreenTea

I honestly believe there is no such thing as the right diet for all.

Some do well with some foods while others do well with other foods.
The smart thing is to find what works for your individual body.

a reply to: LSU2018

It's crazy how different people look at different sizes.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: tanstaafl

your assuming an all meat Diet would consist of high-density lipoprotein (HDL), or "good" cholesterol.

You're assuming that I meant something that I never said or meant.

First of all, there is no such thing as HDL or LDL cholesterol. There is only one form of cholesterol: Cholesterol.

HDL/LDL are simply different forms of lipoproteins (HD = high denbsity, LD = low density) that will bind to cholesterol in the blood and carry the cholesterol to where it needs to go.

You do know that cholesterol is extremely crucial to life, and is critical in every cell in your body... right?

Secondly, everything you think you know about cholesterol, including their carriers (HDL and LDL), comes from the liars that have been lying to us about our food for 80-100 years or longer, but most importantly, is wrong.

The real, actual science, shows that (with the exception of a rare condition known as familial hypercholesterolemia) the higher your 'cholesterol' - yes, even 'the bad kind' - the lower your risk of all cause mortality, especially as you get older.

What is most important is the ratio of triglycerides to HDL. This number should be under 2, but closer to 1 the better. Your LDL simply doesn't matter - again, unless it is extremely high which would indicate you may have familial hypercholesterolemia.

Which it would if you were eating mostly Fish , but Steak, Chicken , turkey and Pork are loaded with LDL as well as HDL .

Again:

"It ain't what you know that gets you, it's what you think you know that just ain't so."

You don't get HDL or LDL in foods, these are created by your liver - which is also very capable of manufacturing cholesterol.

Chicken and turkey are very lean, with very little dietary cholesterol.

That said, yes, certain foods will cause the liver to make more HDL or LDL... but that is irrelevant to your health.

Case and point if it's an all Meat diet loaded with Good saturated fats

You are making a statement that appears to ass-u-me two things: that 'good saturated fats' only come from 'mostly fish', and that 'eating mostly fish is healthier than eating mostly red meat'.

There is nothing wrong with eating fatty fish mind you, I love my salmon occasionally, especially the fattier sockeye, but no, the meat and fat from largely ruminant animals is far far healthier, and is in fact what comprised 95+% of the human diet for millions of years of our evolution, and real, actual science - in the form of a combination of stable isotope testing and a detailed study of the anthropological record of human history - has proven this beyond reasonable doubt.

then your right

Oh, I'm right, and the truth is coming out, but you're still apparently way behind the learning curve. But, as long as you try to keep an open mind, you'll get there. The genie is out of the bottle, and there is no going back, unless tptb successfully drive us back to the stone age.

but if its not and in most cases the person is not eating that healthy regardless if its an all meat diet or not.

You are ass-u-me-ing that what you think you know is so. It isn't.

your assuming way to much.

I'm assuming nothing my friend, I leave that to others like yourself.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: tanstaafl
Jordan will eat a 30oz steak with all the fat....just saying.

I cut my own 2-3" steaks (ribeyes, strips and sirloins from the whole loins), and my typical steak for my OMAD is anywhere from 2-3lbs, so, 32oz is the smallest, usually they're closer to 2.5-3lbs, so, 40-48oz.

Also, I fry up maybe half a pound of pastured bacon, take it out of the pan and add a half-to-whole stick of butter (more if I'm eating sirloin which has a lot less fat than a ribeye) to the remaining bacon grease, pan sear the steak in that (I like it mostly raw, but seared on the outside, so maybe a minute or 2 at most on each side), then pour the leftover grease/butter and use it as a dipping sauce.

Extreme yum!

Sauces were the hardest thing for me, I loved my steak sauces, but when I finally tried this, it was amazing, and solved my problem quite nicely.

originally posted by: CptGreenTea
a reply to: tanstaafl

A diet high in saturated fat is unhealthy for most people. It creates issues for the heart and arteries.

Yes, this is the myth that has been pushed for decades now.

But it is just that... a myth.

Saturated fat is, in fact, one of the healthiest foods you can eat, along with lots of good quality protein from red meat. This is in fact what our ancestors ate almost exclusively for millions of years.

Even if you need a high fat diet, id find any doctor hard-pressed to reccomend the fad carnivore diet.

Not any more, there are more and more real Doctors learning the truth every day, and youtube is full of them.

Start with Drs Anthony Chaffee and Ken Berry, and go from there.

Oh boy. I'm doomed. I do not eat red meat often. I have a very hard time just getting a steak down even in small pieces. I eat ground beef occasionally. I eat chicken, turkey, lean pork, occasional bacon and lots of seafood, salmon and other fish.

I keep my carbs low, but not necessarily keto low. My carbs come from vegetables excluding potatoes. No rice, occasional lentils, chickpeas, healthy fats from avocado, butter, olive oil. I eat blueberries every day which are kind of a higher carb berry, but they are very beneficial.

Being Italian I do occasionally have pasta and bread I bake.

The key I've found to mental clarity and feeling good, sleeping good, is elimating those carbs. All my blood work is good. My iron has and is always low, so I take a supplement. I log my food daily, so I can see all my vitamin, sodium, etc levels. I add a supplement if necessary. I will never give up cheese and olives. I use tons of seasoning to cook, but very little salt. I have pink Himalayan sea salt to use when necessary. Totally love nuts like cashews and pistachios but it's so easy to eat wayyy too many. Like 6 pistachios or cashews are a serving, yeah right.

Ugh, my body just couldn't handle a lot of fatty red meat. I'd be sick all the time. I've never been able to eat it.

Here's an amazing idea, eat what you want in moderation so long as it's not processed crap. Fad diets are fads.

originally posted by: CptGreenTea
Unless you have a very rare body type and issues, carnivore diet is not a healthy long term diet.

Look at societies that live the longest. None of them are doing a carnivore diet.

Try a whole foods vegetarian diet. Great long term benifits and you're not participating in the torture of animals (mostly).

That is the whole premise of this post in how healthy are you really on a veg diet? Are you healthy or just maintaining? Add in that type of diet for most is not fun at all. For many decades we thought a bunch of things were the "healthy" way to go and it is just not so to the point many were unhealthy and were created by people that had no clue.

Long lives has many things involved and so I would not suggest a veg diet is the main reason.

originally posted by: CptGreenTea
Unless you have a very rare body type and issues, carnivore diet is not a healthy long term diet.

Look at societies that live the longest. None of them are doing a carnivore diet.

Try a whole foods vegetarian diet. Great long term benifits and you're not participating in the torture of animals (mostly).

Do you realize how overpopulated and overrun the world would be if we didn't eat animals? You wouldn't be able to drive 10 miles without slamming your brakes to avoid a deer, or moose if you're up north. You couldn't get a garden started because all the animals would eat it. It's not torture to the animals, they were put here for us to eat.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: LSU2018

It's crazy how different people look at different sizes.

It is. You can look like a completely different person.

originally posted by: CptGreenTea
a reply to: tanstaafl

A diet high in saturated fat is unhealthy for most people. It creates issues for the heart and arteries.

You can get plenty of fats without going so extreme. Thats why many doctors started unreccomending coconut oil. Despite the high nutritional valie, it has a ton of saturated fat (like meat) and can cause issues.

Even if you need a high fat diet, id find any doctor hard-pressed to reccomend the fad carnivore diet.

The high fat is also offset by no carbs, so you need energy from some where. I remember the high carb diets of the 80s...lol As to coconut oil I use MCT when I fast, put like a table spoon in my coffee. Typically when you see a high fat content it also means a high carb content too, and those together is what you are talking about. That form of eating, which is the most common, creates massive spikes of insulin and that is what causes all your issues.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep

Or maybe it's all just about genetics and my native american genes are why I can handle lots of meat.

Some native tribes got screwed genetically. The Hopis are like all fat, kind of like Samoans, and the main reason for both is not having good food sources for very long times and those that were efficient in retaining fat lived and passed on their genes.

If you can get your meat directly from a rancher, but you would need to buy at least a 1/4 cow (150 to 200lbs of meat) is so much better and tastier. A 5 cu ft upright can hold 200+ and cost about 100 to 150 used. I really think the key here is limiting as much as possible, process foods, direct sugars and carbs and not worry about fat. Cook in real butter all you want too.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: CptGreenTea

only oil I use is coconut oil.
I cook everything in it.

I'm having no ill effects at all.

Why is that? Olive oil is most likely the best.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

Sauces were the hardest thing for me, I loved my steak sauces, but when I finally tried this, it was amazing, and solved my problem quite nicely.

I have switched from the grill for 30 years to cooking steak on the stove using a ton of butter. Lots of really good video on it.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Secondly, everything you think you know about cholesterol, including their carriers (HDL and LDL), comes from the liars that have been lying to us about our food for 80-100 years or longer, but most importantly, is wrong.

oh I see your pounding that drum .

I wondered why your reply's seemed fringe , believe what you will such is your right.