Regarding the LGBT community - is there a way to build a bridge with the Christian community?

originally posted by: Zenchuck
If you are not Christian and reading my post I will offer the context.

Christian's believe that all of mankind was separated from God.

It was through Christ that this impossible chasm between fallen man and God could be bridged (talking about building a bridge).

All have sinned and fallen short of God. Everyone. Mother Theresa, Ghandi, Ned Flanders. Good works dont get you there. We all have big stickers on our heads that say "Defective. Property of Satan."

We are born with a death sentence.

Christ was born without an earthly father, so he did not fall under the same curse. When he was sacrificed on the cross - his blood became a covering for the sin of all men. Through Adam and his rejecting God and chosing flesh, all men became cursed. Through Jesus, rejecting his own flesh and laying it down at the cross, all men were blessed and could again return to God. All of this is a deep mystery, but hopefully this short paragraph will explain enough.

Naturally we sin. Naturally we lust for whatever. Food, flesh, money. These are natural, but have become twisted and broken.

Inside every person is an eternal spirit, an eternal soul, and a temporary body.

Sin is when the flesh rules the spirit. It is an inversion of natural order. It is a rejection of God.

That is why a culture moving away from God will embrace the flesh. Embrace gluttony, embrace sexual deviancy, embrace all works of flesh.

They become haters of God, haters of Christ, and haters of those who live by the spirit.

The spirit in its rightful place in a persons life will have power over the flesh.

Some will struggle for years or their entire lives to have victory over flesh. This is because they have not resigned the flesh to it's own death.

When the spirit gains victory, it is through Christ and his blood. It is a birth of the Spirit that Christ talks about with Nicodemus.

I offer this as a brief summation of Christianity. More and better explanations can be found.

The context here is that embracing the flesh has never been an objective - so those promoting this now have misinterpreted the entire point of the exercise, whether intentionally or not.

Jesus had a mortal father and mother and had 8 brothers and sisters......jesus was a mortal just like us

To the OP,

The "Christian" community needs to be reconciled to God just as much as the LGBT+ community.

The Bible doesn't state if a person is born homosexual or not. It does tell us that all humankind is in a state of sin. This causes disease, old age, and eventually death in every human.

God's word does tell us to control our impulses. It says we need to exert self-control, which is a display of the fruitage of God's holy spirit.

Jehovah God is good and loves all humankind and he is very aware of our fallen nature and of the fact it is not our fault. He has provided his word the Bible to guide and direct us. He is the "hearer of prayer" and listens to and answers all sincere prayers directed to him. God's word can have a huge impact on a person's life.

God is holy. That is clean. And he demands cleanliness of his creation. Even us fallen humans can be holy, and have a righteous standing with God:



"This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel:
“I, Jehovah, am your God,
The One teaching you to benefit yourself,
The One guiding you in the way you should walk.
If only you would pay attention to my commandments!
Then your peace would become just like a river
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea."
-Isaiah 48:17-18.

The Bible reveals to us that Jesus came to earth not to condone sinners but to call them to repentance:

"I have come to call...sinners to repentance.”-Luke 5:32.

The Bible reveals that there is unclean, unrighteous conduct that prevents people from having a relationship with the heavenly Father. We need to cleanse ourselves of every defilement of the flesh and spirit:

"Let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God."-2 Corinthians 7:1.

God condemns all filthy and unrighteous practices which include false religious teachings, spiritism, things that defile the flesh, such as drunkenness, tobacco use, illicit drug use, and he condemns immoral conduct which he has a right to call unclean, murder, selfishness, idolatry, adultery, thievery, revilers, sexual immorality in all its forms, whether it is heterosexual or homosexual. All forms of illicit sexual conduct outside of the marriage arrangement put in place by God is sexual immorality, that would include mutual masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, and sexual penetration between a heterosexual couple. God made sex to be clean and pure between a man and a woman that are married. Satan has corrupted and polluted human thinking on sex. God condemns all forms of sexual immorality:

"Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God."-1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

The Bible shows us that many people who lived unclean lives have purified themselves and washed themselves in the Jesus' blood and have been made clean in Jehovah's eyes. God is a very generous and merciful God.

He wants all humans everywhere to repent.

That would include people in Christendom that worship Jesus as God. That worship idols. That believe in the false Trinity doctrine. That involve themselves in the politics and the wars of this world.

You see the "Christian community" is even more reprehensible in God's eyes than the LGBT+ community. Because they claim to worship the God of the Bible but disown him by their works:

"They publicly declare that they know God, but they disown him by their works, because they are detestable and disobedient and not approved for good work of any sort."-Titus 1:16.

Jehovah warns all to quit touching the unclean thing, to separate themselves from the world, and then he will take them in:

"‘Therefore, get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take you in.’” “‘And I will become a father to you, and you will become sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah, the Almighty.”-2 Corinthians 6:17-18.

Jehovah loves people in general. He will not condone bad conduct, but he is very merciful to us. We have no business judging one another. We should not be busy-bodies in others affairs. By showing love and empathy, qualities that God has, we show God's love in our lives. And that love will draw people to God. Not by words, but by works and deeds.

Scripture shows us that God is eager and willing to set matters straight with all sinners. Even if our sins were red like scarlet, he promises to make them white as the snow:

“Come, now, and let us set matters straight between us,” says Jehovah.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
They will be made as white as snow;
Though they are as red as crimson cloth,
They will become like wool.
-Isaiah 1:18.

We are told that as far as as the sunrise is from the sunset so far off has God put our sins from us. For God remembers that we are mere dust, remembering the formation of us and knowing everything about us:

"He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor has he repaid us what our errors deserve.
11 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So great is his loyal love toward those who fear him.
12 As far off as the sunrise is from the sunset,
So far off from us he has put our transgressions.
13 As a father shows mercy to his sons,
Jehovah has shown mercy to those who fear him.
14 For he well knows how we are formed,
Remembering that we are dust."
-Psalms 103:10-14.

In fact, Jehovah is thinking good thoughts toward us, to give us a hope and a future:

“‘For I well know the thoughts that I am thinking toward you,’ declares Jehovah, ‘thoughts of peace, and not of calamity, to give you a future and a hope.  And you will call me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you.’-Jeremiah 29:11-12.

All of these things and many other reassuring things we are comforted with in the scriptures. God wants us to pray to him and he will answer us by guiding us to his word the Bible. And he can also guide his witnesses, a righteous and clean people, to those in the world to call them to repentance, and to teach them the healthful words of truth found in his word. The angels direct the preaching work. It is a display of Jehovah's love toward sinners.

Within God's word found in the Bible is found divine wisdom. It makes one wise. And the more we pray to God, and the more he responds by means of his holy spirit opening our hearts and minds to see his beautiful love and mercy toward us the more we love him, and the more we love our neighbor. God's love for us compels us to love. To obey his commandments, and to love others. To overlook their flaws, to see their potential and good. To be forgiving and merciful. To endure the hate, to pray for those persecuting us, and to love those that hate us.

That is the reconciliation that God offers. It is open to everyone everywhere.

Regarding the LGBT community - is there a way to build a bridge with the Christian community?

The left can start by ending the violence.

As a gay man, i can tell you where that bridge lies. I can say so because i have intentionally gone out of my way to create them. Christians don't have to accept me, i don't care if they do or don't, but i view the open contempt to be exactly what they can do to drive a very serious and self destructive wedge. The hardline stance from a bunch of self admitted sinners (they claim to live in sin) and their ranking of their sins as being better than everyone else (since they dont have a mob of finger pointers going at them constantly), is self destructive because they have made their own religion seriously wane in following.

But they are not as horrid as the lgbt ideology, the soycial justice folk, and the whole corrupt structure of government bootlickers, trans humanist brainwashed zombies of the green death cult that seems to have a grotesque amount of power over culture. Their ability to weild culture and use it as a weapon against the common human is 100% the problem.

When it comes to gender norms i disagree with the cultural definition of female, it is a fake groomed gender, females of the distant past were never groomed to be deignty and to cripple themselves with makeup and high heels; they were rugged just not as rugged as the men in most cases. Society and culture is what normalized an interest in useless wasteful self-crippling crap. Now they want men to do it too. I reject all of it. I think they are encouraging pedophilia and grooming children with this sick diseased culture. I think it'd be smart for christians to get as many allies as they can since the new UN world religion is basically satanism and stinks of the most refined evil created by man.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

The thing is, if you just go straight for the jugular & say that to them, they'll pull away immediately. There has to be MUTUAL respect.

Yeah, no.

The bible is pretty clear on this. The condition is set upon man to turn away from sin.

They embrace it and then demand that we be tolerant of it. Especially now that they are exposing their community for the bastion of pedophiles and groomers that they've largely always been.

I wish groups , movements & religion would all go away . Then we might have peace , but humans need & crave opposition to have an identity.