Regarding the LGBT community - is there a way to build a bridge with the Christian community?

a reply to: MiddleInsite

I do mind my own business.

But the LGBTQ is doesn't mind their's and they keep getting caught trying to groom or outright rape children.

The Overton Window of acceptable, public discourse is going to shift in favor of whomever holds the numerical majority.

a reply to: The2Billies

To be absolutely honest, I've never met a gay person who has not flaunted it. Either that, or I have.

Worked in IT in the early 2000's and it was overt. And they were not going to let a young guy bereft of innuendo.

Lesbians are more adept at keeping their sex lives to themselves. I've never met someone I've gotten to know, who has told me, or eluded to being gay. It's a jackhammer to the brain what they are. Pissy little selfish clams, who can't with a straigh face, ask you to come over to 'fix their computer'.....

Just my experience, though, so my 2c.

originally posted by: carewemust
The Non-Heterosexual community should just follow advice from the Christian community.

That's the "bridge".

Pray the gay away!

Well, at least the Christian communities stopped burning gays at the stakes so that a plus. Now for burning Priests at the stake that defile said Lord an spearding it on kids backs or face, especially the singing choir boys just being forgiven whilst doing the same perverted acts.

Gods going to have a field this coming Judgement day.

Perhaps if both agreed to understand what the other side can't see, and accept that it is logical from that other perspective.

In many ways one created the other. Suppress all gayness as evil and it will rise up angry. Same with women. With the world opened up, Christianity is no longer the center of the universe so it can continue to exist but hasn't the control.

The two most frictional subjects are abortion and child sexual grooming.

It would go a long way to building that bridge to understand that most lgbtq etc. do NOT believe in the current agenda pushing drag queens/pedo on children. It's being used in the media in the most strange manner. I personally believe it is used to control people at the upper levels and that is why they are trying to "normalize" it but in reality, people aren't ok with it. At all! Average gay people are simply happy to no longer be beaten up by cops and have legal protection in long term relationships. They are distancing themselves because the extremists are hurting their community.

As to abortion, christians could build the bridge by understanding that most who see a cluster of cells in the early days do NOT believe in late term abortions, other than to save a woman's life. It isn't one and the same.

I guess what I'm trying to say is the vast majority of both groups are not extremists and have their hearts in the right place. The bridge between the two lies in the hands of those average people to squeeze out the extremists without attacking opposing views.

What a random mess of thoughts. Just waking up.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
Smells like back then when all the dirty Pagans and heathens were lured to Christianity. That's why your religion has Easter (Ostara), Christmas(rejoycing winter solice) and a few other holidays. Ever blew out a candle and made a wish? That's Pagan magic ritual.

However I don't think this particular group really fit's to christianity. VXN already pointed it out eloquently. It's not going to work. Especially if the are expected to repent how they were born and that's a sin in Christianity.

Not ever happening. Although, I can see the Catholic Church invite some of the pedos over, I mean, looks like they get along good.

a reply to: projectvxn

a reply to: projectvxn

bastion of pedophiles and groomers that they've largely always been.

You want to take a guess, on who their biggest customers are. With the cabal it's still a conspiracy, with Christianity it's a known fact.

trying to groom or outright rape children.

Again this is pure projection. Quite funny in a thread where the concern is how to better groom others for Christianity.

I'm really amazed on the dissonance religions create....

a reply to: TDDAgain

The Catholic Church has long been compromised. I know a lot of Catholics good people, but their faith is tied to the organization and that brings its own problems.

I'm a non-denominational Christian and you will NEVER see me step foot in a church just like you won't see me at a rally of any kind or belonging to any particular group as a means of identity.

I believe in the Bible and that Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior. But I don't believe I need a church institution to celebrate my faith.

a reply to: Terpene

What abject nonsense.

You trying to use words like "grooming" to insinuate my intentions is asinine at best.

You're not as clever as you're assuming you are with this nonsense.

a reply to: projectvxn
I respect all faith.

Was brought up Catholic in a Catholic town, in a Catholic elementary school, coming from a Catholic kindergarten. I hated Church, despised it. And everyone that went there. Stupid sheep I thought. I liked the singing though.

Today I think a bit different. I am aware that praying the Rosenkranz (Rosary) can led to a deep state of meditation. That it was and is necessary for a feeling of community when times were rough. I therefor get the idea about Churches but at the same time they are places of blind indoctrination. There's a difference between teaching a crude mindset and working on it and being specific dogmatic. Again, was necessary but times change.

I'm a non-denominational Christian and you will NEVER see me step foot in a church just like you won't see me at a rally of any kind or belonging to any particular group as a means of identity.

Matthew 6:5+6 you say? In a way or another, that was the most fitting one from the top of my head.

I believe in the Bible and that Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior. But I don't believe I need a church institution to celebrate my faith.

I believe in nature and all things that come with them. Life, Death, it's a necessary cycle. I would not say Pagan (because there is no manifested religion) but into that direction. That's a very blurry term. Not Wiccan either. I won't sacrifice living beings but I will do blessings in the forest. And I do it not because I think waiving around sage or similar is magically changing something.

I do it because it demands attention and constant reflection on my morals and how I handle things. Awareness, it's more like meditation. But I confess I have had experiences I can not explain. Enough of that, faith is a beautiful thing to have.

Much respect

Regarding the LGBT community - is there a way to build a bridge with the Christian community?

I don't think so...
If this thread is any indication; the hate locker has been opened; Especailly against Catholics. I wonder who's next...the Jews have been a convenient scapegoat for ages.

Is the Christian community a museum full of sinless people. Or is it a hospital for the broken? (from here)

Perhaps Jesus answered that question in John 8:6–7....

This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

Unless we can walk on water we still exist in sin. If I denounced the LGBT because of their sins wouldn't that make me a hypocrite. God loves everyone equally. Even the hypocrites.

a reply to: olaru12

Especailly against Catholics.

That is telling, very telling about your mindset.

Because I think you hint on my post, the only one I cand find bringing it up. I wrote Catholic CHURCH. Not Catholics in general. It's the same concept like with governments and citizens. Blame the Russian Government for the war, NOT the citizens. Blame the US administration for countless wars, NOT the citizens.

But it seems like you equate that very justified attack on the Catholic CHURCH to an attack your own faith. Well looks like the indoctrination towards the church and not God itself worked for you.

How telling is that? It's actually very sad to see.

Finish the story. Jesus told her to go and stop sinning.

The question is better phrased as, "should the church turn a blind eye to sin in the church?"

To a certain extent this has already happened with the accusations of pedophilia etc which is true. We also accept other sexual immorality including adultery and fornication. So then we ask, "why not homosexuality as well?"

If you are attending church and are practicing homosexuality but working towards overcoming the lusts of your flesh and becoming a regenerated spiritual being - great!

If you are joining my church and saying that homosexuality is accepted by God and is not a sin and that your lust of the flesh is righteous? Then no. This is what is happening.

The church needs to denounce, pedophilia, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, bestiality, incest, necrophilia, whatever the sin is.

We continue to show kindness to people working through these issues. If you are a Christian and believe that Christ has the power to overcome sin and set people free from bondage. The type of bondage where they are controlled by sexual desires - then we all work together towards this goal.

We dont throw our hands in the air and give in to the bondage. That's like saying Christ doesn't have the power to change lives. It's an admission of defeat. Kneeling down before our real master Satan.

You cant have your cake and eat it too.

For sure, not much of a problem really for years, and then now again with this woke nonsense, and what are probably a lot of fake "queer" imposters.

In reality many of us do go to church sometimes (and I'm talking pretty fundamentalist churches here), and as long as I don't come to start an argument, everyone is pretty nice.

And from the very first moments I laid eyes on TBN and other Christian channels, I thought to myself, this is actually so camp, it's brilliant!

If you are not Christian and reading my post I will offer the context.

Christian's believe that all of mankind was separated from God.

It was through Christ that this impossible chasm between fallen man and God could be bridged (talking about building a bridge).

All have sinned and fallen short of God. Everyone. Mother Theresa, Ghandi, Ned Flanders. Good works dont get you there. We all have big stickers on our heads that say "Defective. Property of Satan."

We are born with a death sentence.

Christ was born without an earthly father, so he did not fall under the same curse. When he was sacrificed on the cross - his blood became a covering for the sin of all men. Through Adam and his rejecting God and chosing flesh, all men became cursed. Through Jesus, rejecting his own flesh and laying it down at the cross, all men were blessed and could again return to God. All of this is a deep mystery, but hopefully this short paragraph will explain enough.

Naturally we sin. Naturally we lust for whatever. Food, flesh, money. These are natural, but have become twisted and broken.

Inside every person is an eternal spirit, an eternal soul, and a temporary body.

Sin is when the flesh rules the spirit. It is an inversion of natural order. It is a rejection of God.

That is why a culture moving away from God will embrace the flesh. Embrace gluttony, embrace sexual deviancy, embrace all works of flesh.

They become haters of God, haters of Christ, and haters of those who live by the spirit.

The spirit in its rightful place in a persons life will have power over the flesh.

Some will struggle for years or their entire lives to have victory over flesh. This is because they have not resigned the flesh to it's own death.

When the spirit gains victory, it is through Christ and his blood. It is a birth of the Spirit that Christ talks about with Nicodemus.

I offer this as a brief summation of Christianity. More and better explanations can be found.

The context here is that embracing the flesh has never been an objective - so those promoting this now have misinterpreted the entire point of the exercise, whether intentionally or not.

I do think there are ways to build bridges, however, we are essentially dealing with two competing religions (one theistic and the other non-theistic).

Historically, this is a very large issue between any social groups. When bolstered by religious fervor, social groups tend to be extraordinarily intolerant of any competing ideologies.

From the Christian side, there is a need to overcome the perspective that humans are the ones that are the arbiters of judgment towards sinners. There are thousands of years of precedence of humans adopting a self-important sense of superiority, frequently driven by picking lines from texts that support the approach and completely ignoring others that, in essence, tell adherents to leave judgment to God (Matthew 7 is a good example). Many are driven by the behavior that leads to a sense of ameliorating & absolving ones own sin by decrying and pointing out the sin of others. Usually in proportion to how vociferously it is done.

From the LGBTQ community, there is a need to overcome the momentum that has carried this social group directly into realms that are questionable at best. As social groups gain acceptance, and even prominence, there is always a tendency for the most vocal, extreme zealots to become the driving force. In modern times, this is strongly potentiated by technology and how we have built social platforms. There is also the consideration that this community is only an arm of a much larger social group, which spans everything from democrats and the "left" to corporations and NGOs.

Both sides will need to overcome the seemingly inherent trend of humanity towards authoritarianism and in-group bias. They will need to overcome the emergent behavior that arises from modern social interaction too. Which is essentially that now, every social groups most zealous and extreme voices are given the most attention by nearly everyone. This shapes the Cultural Story in quite possibly the worst form it could possibly take.

All social groups have a tendency to overlook "sin" within the in-group, as long as the individual(s) say the right things. They also have a tendency to ostracize & excommunicate anyone who would dare question some of the fundamental tenets in any way, regardless of how those tenets might contradict or change over time. i.e. There are plenty of people who are gay or lesbian that have long since been branded as heretics for raising concerns about where the social group has gone over the last couple decades, and there are plenty of Christians who harbor genuine hatred in their hearts, use scripture to justify it, and call it blasphemy and an affront to God should someone question it.

These are not small obstacles to overcome, and neither are they the only ones that exist. Many from both groups want nothing less than the total eradication of any and all competing ideologies.

All that said, I would propose that the key isnt necessarily in building a bridge between these two social groups specifically, but in learning how to do so between social groups in general. Historically, this is done through conversion, domination, and subjugation. Putting any ethical or moral quandaries aside, I would suggest that the historical approach is not effective in ages where technology enables social groups to coalesce regardless of proximity or location.

There are some major obstacles to this as well, namely that it is relatively novel in the context of human history. But taking this path would not only be applicable for the two social groups of Christianity and LGBTQ.. it would be relevant to our entire civilization in a time of instant communication technology. Not only that, it would work towards creating a different cycle than has existed for millenia, as we inevitably march into the future.

Jan Crouch's "Miracle Chicken Story".



Hand me another tissue, please.

Now what gay man wouldn't be touched by that?