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originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
originally posted by: RussianTroll
Funny thing is this. In fact, the neo-Hitlerists from Azov with their racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, fighting against Russia and the Russian world, are fighting against a healthy conservative revenge on the side of neo-Marxism, LGBTQ, global comprador capital and other things that they should, in theory, hate. And, on the contrary, Western gays and transgenders, leftist and liberal politicians, ethnic Jews of liberal views from Europe, Russia and Israel support the neo-Nazis from Azov, stubbornly ignoring the swastika, rune and black Sun on their stripes and flags. What unites them? Situational hatred for Russians.
Azov people profess the dark side of paganism, the so-called path of the Left Arms.
Crappy societies indoctrinate their kids, the Azov nazis aren't the only ones.
originally posted by: putnam6
Whew, thank goodness seems like Putin saved the soul of 'Mother Russia" or does Russian believe in souls and the afterlife? So many questions. Here are the most pertinent ones IMHO.
So Russia was threatened enough by 1500 or so satanic Azov Nazis, to invade, bomb, pillage, plunder, rape, bombard and shell the other 40 million or so innocent /non-Azov nazis Ukrainians?
Sounds like typical Russian logic and historical Russian military doctrine.
So now that the Azov nazi swarm has been decimated by the righteous and noble Russians, what's the next step for Ukraine? indoctrination? occupation? gulag? is Russia going to at least try and occupy and hold the disputed Azov areas?
originally posted by: YouSir
originally posted by: putnam6
Whew, thank goodness seems like Putin saved the soul of 'Mother Russia" or does Russian believe in souls and the afterlife? So many questions. Here are the most pertinent ones IMHO.
So Russia was threatened enough by 1500 or so satanic Azov Nazis, to invade, bomb, pillage, plunder, rape, bombard and shell the other 40 million or so innocent /non-Azov nazis Ukrainians?
Sounds like typical Russian logic and historical Russian military doctrine.
So now that the Azov nazi swarm has been decimated by the righteous and noble Russians, what's the next step for Ukraine? indoctrination? occupation? gulag? is Russia going to at least try and occupy and hold the disputed Azov areas?
Ummm...you do the fallen on your sword parody...almost as pure as a cross dressing pederast comedic actor...playing the part of self-righteousness amongst his house of cards...
Which is to state...that it's not merely pathetic...but literally oozes disingenuousness...
One wonders...if you had such vitriolic disdain...and...gave eloquence voice in also addressing the perpetual..."invade, bomb, pillage, plunder, rape, bombard and shelling"...perpetrated by your own government for the last 75 years 108 times around the globe...with millions of lives lost...all in the name of..."truth...justice...and the American way"...
It is the epitome of hypocrisy...if you cannot point to such high disdain for your own...ahem...adventurism exercised through the medium of...I was just following orders during my own participatory stint as the avenging arm of Americana...
But do continue...it's eminently entertaining...
YouSir
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
So what? considering the deaths of about 4 grand, injuries of another 3-4 thousand, and displacement estimated at 6 million. But yea, go ahead and be worried about a fascist boy scout camp.
Crappy societies indoctrinate their kids, the Azov nazis aren't the only ones.
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: YouSir
originally posted by: putnam6
Whew, thank goodness seems like Putin saved the soul of 'Mother Russia" or does Russian believe in souls and the afterlife? So many questions. Here are the most pertinent ones IMHO.
So Russia was threatened enough by 1500 or so satanic Azov Nazis, to invade, bomb, pillage, plunder, rape, bombard and shell the other 40 million or so innocent /non-Azov nazis Ukrainians?
Sounds like typical Russian logic and historical Russian military doctrine.
So now that the Azov nazi swarm has been decimated by the righteous and noble Russians, what's the next step for Ukraine? indoctrination? occupation? gulag? is Russia going to at least try and occupy and hold the disputed Azov areas?
Ummm...you do the fallen on your sword parody...almost as pure as a cross dressing pederast comedic actor...playing the part of self-righteousness amongst his house of cards...
Which is to state...that it's not merely pathetic...but literally oozes disingenuousness...
One wonders...if you had such vitriolic disdain...and...gave eloquence voice in also addressing the perpetual..."invade, bomb, pillage, plunder, rape, bombard and shelling"...perpetrated by your own government for the last 75 years 108 times around the globe...with millions of lives lost...all in the name of..."truth...justice...and the American way"...
It is the epitome of hypocrisy...if you cannot point to such high disdain for your own...ahem...adventurism exercised through the medium of...I was just following orders during my own participatory stint as the avenging arm of Americana...
But do continue...it's eminently entertaining...
YouSir
You are smarter than that or I thought you were? I could be wrong there as well.
however, basically, 2 wrongs don't make a right. As well as fool me once shame of you fool me twice shame on me.
The sheer fact that our government pushed the war narrative with Iraq and Afghanistan and ultimately our/American human and financial cost incurred is one reason I'm positive Russia's need to satiate its Aldo Raine impulses in Ukraine is equally bogus and self-serving.
Not to mention pre-invasion I understood Putin's concerns, and definitely, just like in Iraq 2.0 and Afghanistan the ends did not justify the means.
Besides by all Russian accounts Russia's " Special military operation" is going according to plans so why so upset about an opinion posted on a non-descript conspiracy website, comrade?
for the record again..
I trust no country or individual involved here, too much money/weapons are being thrown around without oversight, which in a corrupt region like Eastern Europe is like ringing the dinner bell. It's almost a certainty a bevy of politicians on both sides of the aisle and pond are making bank here. The black market on small arms and weapons just got a huge inventory upgrade. No doubt these will be shooting back at us in the next decade. None of this is new it's really just Dick Cheney's WMD embezzling and governmental contract tour reimagining into Biden's Build Back Ukraine's military and ultimately its infrastructure plan. FWIW Biden is old enough and connected enough he probably got a taste way back when for his support of Cheney's plans, Pelosi and Schummer too.
originally posted by: YouSir
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: YouSir
originally posted by: putnam6
Whew, thank goodness seems like Putin saved the soul of 'Mother Russia" or does Russian believe in souls and the afterlife? So many questions. Here are the most pertinent ones IMHO.
So Russia was threatened enough by 1500 or so satanic Azov Nazis, to invade, bomb, pillage, plunder, rape, bombard and shell the other 40 million or so innocent /non-Azov nazis Ukrainians?
Sounds like typical Russian logic and historical Russian military doctrine.
So now that the Azov nazi swarm has been decimated by the righteous and noble Russians, what's the next step for Ukraine? indoctrination? occupation? gulag? is Russia going to at least try and occupy and hold the disputed Azov areas?
Ummm...you do the fallen on your sword parody...almost as pure as a cross dressing pederast comedic actor...playing the part of self-righteousness amongst his house of cards...
Which is to state...that it's not merely pathetic...but literally oozes disingenuousness...
One wonders...if you had such vitriolic disdain...and...gave eloquence voice in also addressing the perpetual..."invade, bomb, pillage, plunder, rape, bombard and shelling"...perpetrated by your own government for the last 75 years 108 times around the globe...with millions of lives lost...all in the name of..."truth...justice...and the American way"...
It is the epitome of hypocrisy...if you cannot point to such high disdain for your own...ahem...adventurism exercised through the medium of...I was just following orders during my own participatory stint as the avenging arm of Americana...
But do continue...it's eminently entertaining...
YouSir
You are smarter than that or I thought you were? I could be wrong there as well.
however, basically, 2 wrongs don't make a right. As well as fool me once shame of you fool me twice shame on me.
The sheer fact that our government pushed the war narrative with Iraq and Afghanistan and ultimately our/American human and financial cost incurred is one reason I'm positive Russia's need to satiate its Aldo Raine impulses in Ukraine is equally bogus and self-serving.
Not to mention pre-invasion I understood Putin's concerns, and definitely, just like in Iraq 2.0 and Afghanistan the ends did not justify the means.
Besides by all Russian accounts Russia's " Special military operation" is going according to plans so why so upset about an opinion posted on a non-descript conspiracy website, comrade?
for the record again..
I trust no country or individual involved here, too much money/weapons are being thrown around without oversight, which in a corrupt region like Eastern Europe is like ringing the dinner bell. It's almost a certainty a bevy of politicians on both sides of the aisle and pond are making bank here. The black market on small arms and weapons just got a huge inventory upgrade. No doubt these will be shooting back at us in the next decade. None of this is new it's really just Dick Cheney's WMD embezzling and governmental contract tour reimagining into Biden's Build Back Ukraine's military and ultimately its infrastructure plan. FWIW Biden is old enough and connected enough he probably got a taste way back when for his support of Cheney's plans, Pelosi and Schummer too.
Ummm...now...now...untwist those panties...I did say I was eminently entertained by the hubris extolled daily...in defense of the MSM and MIC/3 letters narrative...
No upset attitude...no anger...no emotion invested...merely pointing out the utter lack of the same vitriol as per the wests non-stop "special military operations"...
I actually enjoy watching a gaggle of hypocrites...doing the hypocrite thing...
YouSir
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
18 May 2022 18:41
Involving minors in Ukrainian nationalist formations
As the nationalist formations of Ukraine continue to be driven out of Donbass, new facts have come to light which confirm the involvement of children in these hate-crazed units. We have repeatedly stated that right-wing radical organisations operating under the patronage of the Kiev regime have systematically spread extremism among minors in order to embed the ideas of militant nationalism in Ukrainian society.
Neo-Nazis from Azov began large-scale recruitment of children back in 2015 when, upon the initiative of the National Corps leader Andrey Biletsky, they set up the Youth Corps’ “children’s camps.” In 2015, they took in children aged 9 to 18 and since 2016, 7 to 18.
A military youth wing called National Squads was formed at the National Corps in 2018. Hundreds of young people over the age of 14 joined it. The instructors from Azov taught them how to fight the “enemies of Ukraine,” including with firearms.
The specialised Youth Corps’ needs are covered by the Ukrainian state budget. Does that sound familiar? In 2019, organisations associated with the National Corps received $17,000 to hold events for children and youth. We see it. And we know what kind of values people with Azov insignia on their sleeves and nationalist and neo-Nazi symbols are teaching young people. There are training camps for teenagers such as Azovets, Bukovynets, and Dnepryanin in different parts of the country. Teenagers were lured through social media and messengers.
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The Skinhead movement is active in 33 countries on six continents. It numbers some 70,000 youths worldwide, of whom half are hardcore activists and the rest supporters. The countries where Skinheads are found in the greatest numbers are Germany (5,000), Hungary and the Czech Republic (more than 4,000 each), the United States (3,500), Poland (2,000), the United Kingdom and Brazil (1,500 each), Italy (1,000 to 1,500), and Sweden (more than 1,000). France, Spain, Canada, and the Netherlands each have at least 500 Skinheads. The Skinhead movements in these various countries are extensively linked with each other.
There are an estimated 50,000-70,000 Neo-Nazis in Russia according to an ABC News report. The group seemed to organize around widespread unemployment and poverty in the early 1990s. Many of the members are young adults who were hit hardest by the economic downturn. The group operates under the official name of the Russian National Unity, a party founded by Alexander Barkashov in 1990. The party symbol is the swastika and some members receive military training in Moscow.
Might there be an alternative book for English speakers? Can you produce a brief summary derived from the book's concluding chapter?
originally posted by: RussianTroll
How a real warrior should behave, according to this system of views, is well described in Anders Stringholm's book Viking Campaigns. All the heroes there die heroically. Who has not read, I advise for development.
Can you furnish a brief excerpt of their conversation, translated from the Russian?
originally posted by: RussianTroll
In Russian social networks, the neo-paganism of Azov is actively discussed in the context of the fact...
This is the exact sort of thing Vyacheslav Krasheninnikov warned about, daemons disguised as “spirit guides”. He also described people being drawn into spiritualist experimentation against their better judgment.
originally posted by: RussianTroll
Its adherents worship Jotuns, evil giants who fight the solar gods of the Scandinavian pantheon... And then the Scandinavian Goddess Hel allegedly appeared to him and forced him to become a male shaman.
I like how contemporary Russians take note of these coincidences, as the ancient Greeks/Romans used to do. They were not nearly as superstitious as people believe. For instance, there was good cause to take comets as portends.
originally posted by: RussianTroll
Well, the burial of Mariupol Azov in the factory catacombs can be symbolically tied to the fact that they climbed into the lower world, to their hellish deities.
What a coincidence!
originally posted by: RussianTroll
Mariupol is translated from Greek as the city of the Mother of God, the city of Mary. The ending in this regard is very natural and indicative. Not the Russians defeated Azov, but the Mother of God defeated Satanism.
The purest paganism is Hellenic idealism, but nobody turns to it. They prefer Roman or Viking fashion, superficial cults. Meanwhile, the original Hellenic worship has been supplanted by Homeric deities, who were characterized as jealous, wrathful, petty, etc. And it is these that modern Hellenists turn to, interpreting symbols as if they were literally human beings like themselves.
originally posted by: RussianTroll
But now there is no pure paganism. Now there are many currents of neo-paganism, which are used to achieve political goals.
originally posted by: RussianTroll
In fact, the cult that Azov professes, in my opinion, is a complete "remake", a modern phenomenon, it can be described as esoteric Hitlerism. The ideologist of this cult, who considered Hitler the avatar of a Nordic deity, was the Chilean philosopher Miguel Serrano.edit on 19-5-2022 by hjesterium because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: RussianTroll
The Azov people themselves said about themselves: “Azov” is “As-Gof”, the court of aces, Scandinavian deities.