Putin challenges us to compare him to OUR own -snipped- leaders

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Which is a pretty apt description of Putin himself.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I would rather he Run for Public Office here after becoming a LEGAL Citizen . Hey , he probably could Clean Up the " Swamp " Faster than the Right Honorable President Donald J. Trump Could .............

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: turretless

You're a clever man, you know full well the point I was making.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung = All brutal dictators repsonsible for untold levels of death, destruction and misery.
Putin seems hell bent on wanting to join that club.

Putin is elected to the presidency by democratic voting.

a reply to: turretless

Putin is a de facto dictator who has done everything to ensure he remains in power for life.
He has changed and amended the Russian Constitution several times, banned all realistic and viable opposition, imprisoned other Party leaders and silenced all news outlets that may offer a different opinion to his.

If you can not at least recognise and acknowledge that then its pointless trying to engage in any sort of reasoned discussion and debate with you.

You have a strange definition of 'democracy'.

I honestly thought you were far cleverer and honest than that.

a reply to: turretless

For how long? Life?

What about his opponents who get murdered or imprisoned?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: turretless

Putin is a de facto dictator who has done everything to ensure he remains in power for life.
He has changed and amended the Russian Constitution several times, banned all realistic and viable opposition, imprisoned other Party leaders and silenced all news outlets that may offer a different opinion to his.

If you can not at least recognise and acknowledge that then its pointless trying to engage in any sort of reasoned discussion and debate with you.

You have a strange definition of 'democracy'.

I honestly thought you were far cleverer and honest than that.

Did I understand you correctly that we had to leave unchanged the constitution that Russia adopted during the reign of the Western puppet President Yeltsin?

I remind you that first Yeltsin passed an unconstitutional decree dissolving parliament and then fired at the parliament building with tank cannons.

And after that, the constitution, without the approval of any parliament, was adopted as a result of a referendum.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: turretless

For how long? Life?

What about his opponents who get murdered or imprisoned?

He is elected until 2024.

I have no doubt that Nemtsov near the Kremlin was killed by Western intelligence agencies. So that Western journalists could make allusive reports with mourning photographs of Nemtsov against the backdrop of the Kremlin.

a reply to: turretless

What has what Yeltsin did in the past got to do with Putin altering the Russian Constitution so that he can stay in power unapposed for life?
What has it got to do with Putin imprisoning all viable opposition leaders, banning opposing political parties and silencing all media and news outlets that criticise him and/or his policies?

He is by the very definition of it, a dictator.

Yet you bizarrely call it 'democracy'?

a reply to: turretless

What about all the others?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: turretless

What has what Yeltsin did in the past got to do with Putin altering the Russian Constitution so that he can stay in power unapposed for life?
What has it got to do with Putin imprisoning all viable opposition leaders, banning opposing political parties and silencing all media and news outlets that criticise him and/or his policies?

He is by the very definition of it, a dictator.

Yet you bizarrely call it 'democracy'?

I wrote to you what Yeltsin did. And this was very different from the case of the US Constitution, when US patriots got together and independently wrote the constitution based on the interests of the US people.

The current constitution allows Putin to run until 2030, not for his entire life. However, I don't think he will.

How do you explain that all these opposition leaders and media are funded by the West?

I saw what happened in the United States when Trump was suspected of having relations with Russia.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: turretless

What about all the others?

The rest of those killed or attempted are also provocations of Western intelligence services.

a reply to: turretless

Of course. Navalny? Litvinenko?

Or, and I could do withe laughs from your predictable response, the Skripals?

a reply to: turretless

What Yeltsin did is irrelevant to this conversation.

Personally I think he was a drunken idiot who opened Russia to the influence of the Oligarch's and all the corruption that is now endemic in Russia - something that no-one has exploited more than Putin.

We'll see in 2030....Putin will either be in power or dead.
(The way he's going we ALL might be dead!)

What has what happened in the US got to do with this conversation?

a reply to: turretless

www.themoscowtimes.com...

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: turretless

Of course. Navalny? Litvinenko?

Or, and I could do withe laughs from your predictable response, the Skripals?

Navalny studied in the United States under a special program.

As far as I know, the testimony in the Litvinenko case was classified and no one ever found out the truth.

Skripal disappeared from public view after he and his employer, Christopher Steele, were demanded for congressional questioning by US Senator Chuck Grassley.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: turretless

What Yeltsin did is irrelevant to this conversation.

Personally I think he was a drunken idiot who opened Russia to the influence of the Oligarch's and all the corruption that is now endemic in Russia - something that no-one has exploited more than Putin.

We'll see in 2030....Putin will either be in power or dead.
(The way he's going we ALL might be dead!)

What has what happened in the US got to do with this conversation?

From my description of the events of 1993, it should have been clear to everyone why the constitution needed to be changed.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: turretless

www.themoscowtimes.com...

There is no admission that someone from Russia, in her opinion, poisoned the Skripals.

a reply to: turretless

Litvinenko. As far as you know?

Come off it. You know very well that that is simply not true. All very public, the evidence:

www.bbc.com...

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: turretless

Litvinenko. As far as you know?

Come off it. You know very well that that is simply not true. All very public, the evidence:

www.bbc.com...

The BBC won't let me on their website.

So you'll have to tell me about it here.

a reply to: turretless

OK:

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