The First Commander of Azov Threatens to Fire a Tochka-U at Civilians on May 9

a reply to: eitea


Only a madman could do what putin has just done, and the only way to win a nuclear war is to not fight a nuclear war.

The putin madman has repeatedly threatened nuclear war.

It isn't about 'bravery', lots of folks would like to go defend Ukraine, we just don't want any of putin's repeatedly threatened nuke hurling.

So no 'peace keeping' troops are possible this time.

Whether we like it or not, that's not likely to change unless putin is killed or removed, and probably not even then.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I personally think/hope that the nuclear war thing is just a media frenzy. There is a reason why nuclear countries don't want to go into direct conflict. The politicians are the ones who stir up trouble, then hide in their bunkers and give speeches sending other people to kill and die. With nuclear war, these slimeballs wouldn't be safe either, so they avoid it.
Nuclear tension has been a thing for a long time and right now it's pretty calm. Remember Cuban Missile Crises, where USA wasn't very happy about Soviet Union bringing their missiles to Cuba? Yeah, now same here, Russia is not happy that USA is arming Ukraine close to them.

Try not to see the world as "good" and "bad", but just different sides after their own interests. The media will manipulate people in defining good and bad from all this mess.

originally posted by: eitea
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I personally think/hope that the nuclear war thing is just a media frenzy.

Russia is not happy that USA is arming Ukraine close to them.

I had hoped and believed the same thing, but can't do that anymore after watching russian government owned teevee clips for the last couple weeks.



The U.S. did NOT 'arm' Ukraine with anything that could threaten russia in any way.

originally posted by: eitea

3 weeks in wilderness sounds like an interesting and rather peaceful experience for a mig pilot. It's surprising that he sounds traumatized by it.

I didn't say he was... IDK go walk for a few weeks without water, food, shelter etc...

originally posted by: eitea

Didn't his SO's teach him to ditch his military clothing, get civilian clothing and then use rope and magnesium to travel/live through the wilderness where there is very little chance to meet any military opposition? Maybe it's just me, but it seems like he had very good luck that he didn't turn out to be a PoW?

PoW? It was during the Cold War in the 80s when all the satellite countries were closed off. His SO would have shot him if caught... Your post here makes no sense...lol

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: eitea

3 weeks in wilderness sounds like an interesting and rather peaceful experience for a mig pilot. It's surprising that he sounds traumatized by it.

I didn't say he was... IDK go walk for a few weeks without water, food, shelter etc...

He was an Ukrainian mig pilot who fought Russia in the 80s? Whoa, this is some deep multiverse different timeline stuff, since Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union until the 90s. Pretty amazing, if you ask me.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

US didn't arm Ukraine. I see. You know there is this awesome website called google.com, you might want to check this out. For instance I found:

So far in FY2022, DoD has provided $300 million in security assistance to Ukraine under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). In FY 2021, Ukraine received $275 million under DoD's Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). This included $75 million in lethal assistance.

You might want to check out this webpage also. But I don't know if you can trust dubious sites like that, might be the work of russian trolls:
www.state.gov...

Since January 2021, the United States has invested more than $4.6 billion in security assistance to demonstrate our enduring and steadfast commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This includes more than $3.7 billion since Russia’s launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal war against Ukraine on February 24. Since 2014, the United States has provided more than $6.4 billion in security assistance for training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO.

originally posted by: eitea
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

US didn't arm Ukraine. I see. You know there is this awesome website called google.com, you might want to check this out. For instance I found:

So far in FY2022, DoD has provided $300 million in security assistance to Ukraine under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). In FY 2021, Ukraine received $275 million under DoD's Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). This included $75 million in lethal assistance.

You might want to check out this webpage also. But I don't know if you can trust dubious sites like that, might be the work of russian trolls:
www.state.gov...

Since January 2021, the United States has invested more than $4.6 billion in security assistance to demonstrate our enduring and steadfast commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This includes more than $3.7 billion since Russia’s launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal war against Ukraine on February 24. Since 2014, the United States has provided more than $6.4 billion in security assistance for training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO.

We were discussing russia's 'justification' for invading Ukraine, which obviously doesn't include what we provided as a result of russia's invasion.

We have provided a lot of gear since russia invaded Ukraine, will likely donate a lot more, and have encouraged others to do the same.

We did NOT 'arm' Ukraine prior to russia's territorial conquest, and STILL aren't providing long range weapons that could threaten russians in russia.

originally posted by: eitea

He was an Ukrainian mig pilot who fought Russia in the 80s? Whoa, this is some deep multiverse different timeline stuff, since Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union until the 90s. Pretty amazing, if you ask me.

You kind of read into my post adding at will don't you...lol

He was a mig pilot for Russia who escaped from the USSR in the 80s. He was born in Ukraine, but as you said Ukraine was considered USSR at the time. I'm not sure where you got the whole "fighting a war" thing from.

originally posted by: eitea


So far in FY2022, DoD has provided $300 million in security assistance to Ukraine under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). In FY 2021, Ukraine received $275 million under DoD's Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). This included $75 million in lethal assistance.

Let me ask you a serious question. Do you think Russia was ever concern that Ukraine might attack them in an invasion? One more question, do you think the US and other countries helping Ukraine was due to the concern that Russia could invaded them just like they did in Crimea and Georgia?

You seem to want to paint a picture that Russia was worried that Ukraine might try and take them over...lol

a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm sorry, but you're post gets very complicated when talking about Russia, not USSR in the 80s. There is a distinction, you know. And yeah, USSR occupied most of the old soviet states after WW2, but you want to know a secret why was it possible? Because there were loads of communists in those states who actually welcomed the new rule. I'm too young to remember much about the soviet times, since I was a kid, but I've heard from my parents and other people who lived most of their life then, that there were loads of Estonians who actually praised USSR, because they were given sweet positions in the new rule. Life was easy for the slow minded people in USSR, they just had to show loyalty to the communist party and their life was fixed. And you know what happened when USSR fell apart and Estonia gained independence? All those former communists instantly changed their colors and started being the most enthusiastic "patriots" with our new national flag hanging on their walls.
USSR wasn't Russia, but it was a system that was composed of political drones from every USSR nation. Good Russians suffered from the USSR political system just as much as any other USSR nation.

As for your another question. No, I don't think that Russia was ever concerned that Ukraine might attack them. But they saw what the Kolomoyskyi run paramilitary groups were doing to the local population in eastern Ukraine and the seized the opportunity to put a stop to it and gain popularity of that population by that. Like I said before, U.S. did the same crap in both Korea and Vietnam and countless others by supporting the disgruntled population that didn't agree with the new government rule. Do I blame U.S. for that or think that USA is evil because of it? No, because that is how the world works, governments seizing opportunities to spread their influence. If you think that both Russia and USA are evil for doing this, then I respect your opinion and agree that the world could be a better place, but in reality the world is how it is.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: eitea

3 weeks in wilderness sounds like an interesting and rather peaceful experience for a mig pilot. It's surprising that he sounds traumatized by it.

I didn't say he was... IDK go walk for a few weeks without water, food, shelter etc...

I would assume that a mig pilot knows how to find fresh water, hunt for food and build a shelter. This is basic training here and I heard from my father, who served in USSR as a regular grunt, it was for him also. So, sounds weird.

originally posted by: eitea

I would assume that a mig pilot knows how to find fresh water, hunt for food and build a shelter. This is basic training here and I heard from my father, who served in USSR as a regular grunt, it was for him also. So, sounds weird.

Ok, not sure your point in it all to keep going back to this. It's not like he told me his day by day experiences. I just know he went awol and that would have been either a death sentence or many years in jail for an officer/pilot to do so if he was caught. He had to E&E for 3 weeks to get out and into another country.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I concur that the argument about the mig pilot won't take us anywhere and will stop bringing it up.

originally posted by: eitea

I concur that the argument about the mig pilot won't take us anywhere and will stop bringing it up.

I spent a few years in the Middle East while not agreeing we should be there in the first place, so I'm not a fan boy of war. In all cases it seems the country involved is worst off than before the war, so Russia isn't "helping" Ukraine in anyway. In this case if I need to pick a side I'm picking Ukraine, so I guess that is where I stand in it all and have no issues with 30+ countries helping them.

a reply to: Xtrozero

We agree in this point, that war will never help the nation where the actual battles are held on. Russia is not helping Ukraine also, but their goal is to gain influence with the disgruntled minority. My main point here is that Russia being the evil of the world is currently mainly media propaganda, and they are just doing the same crap that every other nation has done for centuries.

I could say that I despise the Ukrainian government even more then Russian one, because they actually called civilians to arms. Their defense minister gave direct guidelines to civilians how to make molotov cocktails and throw them at tanks. These people know well enough how it means that soon the regular forces of the opposition won't distinguish the fighting civilians from the peaceful ones and lot's of gruesome acts will be done. While partisan warfare can be effective on paper, it is a very ugly war where a lot of peaceful civilian population will suffer for it. If you did your time in the middle-east then I think that you know what I'm talking about.

originally posted by: eitea

We agree in this point, that war will never help the nation where the actual battles are held on. Russia is not helping Ukraine also, but their goal is to gain influence with the disgruntled minority. My main point here is that Russia being the evil of the world is currently mainly media propaganda, and they are just doing the same crap that every other nation has done for centuries.

As to Russia's reasons I think helping the minorities there is far down the list.

I could say that I despise the Ukrainian government even more then Russian one, because they actually called civilians to arms. Their defense minister gave direct guidelines to civilians how to make molotov cocktails and throw them at tanks. These people know well enough how it means that soon the regular forces of the opposition won't distinguish the fighting civilians from the peaceful ones and lot's of gruesome acts will be done. While partisan warfare can be effective on paper, it is a very ugly war where a lot of peaceful civilian population will suffer for it. If you did your time in the middle-east then I think that you know what I'm talking about.

Well first they are fighting for their country. In America most have guns, so do you think I would not take out Russian soldiers if the chance came up? lol

Now lets take that and talk about Russian conscripts...pretty bad...

a reply to: eitea

could say that I despise the Ukrainian government even more then Russian one, because they actually called civilians to arms.

Yeeaahh ... just like Russia did in 1941 when THEY were attacked.

So it is okay for Russia to do such things but not Ukraine?

You sound confused, comrade.

Cheers

a reply to: Xtrozero

I think civilians taking guns in warfare is for fools who don't understand the bigger picture on what does it mean for the rest of peaceful population, who have zero interest in fighting wars that politicians in their safe bunkers cause. If you find that you want to protect your country with arms, then enlist and become apart of the regular forces. If you are too lazy to do that then war is not for you like doing surgeries is not for enthusiastic amateurs. My personal opinion is that civilians who think that they have what it take to handle warfare have just watched too many movies.
People who are educated in warfare know that and if they encourage civilians to pick up arms, then they know that they are just using civilians as human shields to gain diplomatic points.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

In 1941 there was USSR that did it, and directly Stalin, who was a terrible person in my opinion. At first please learn basic history and then try to compare the incomparable.